Sunday, July 31, 2011

Sentimental Sunday-- Wright- Graves- Miller-

 Hello world, thought I would share some of what I did today..  Sentimental Sunday was spent
digging in the files on Ancestry to see if data for my cousins family could be found.
Shirley and I have dug  many a file together sometimes winning some times loosing.
She was a friend for a long time and then we learned a very distant related kin.
 
Shirley now  has her own blog and she is sharing information on her very lost lines in hopes someone may see what she is struggling with and come up with clue or answer. Or if really lucky live near the areas of research and find a piece of her puzzle.

I also have two of these names in my files so it makes it fruitful for me to see what I can learn about these names.

 If you would go to her site, maybe some of you whom live in New York can suggest something more for her to do.

Today we played with Mr Thomas Graves b abt 1800, we may have found a lead. Not enough information to know. He served in the War of 1812. Enlisted in Minden. NY.

In the past we have played with Daniel Miller and William Wright.



Every so Often: July 2011


My Wright is from Mass to Maine or maybe always there but name changed not dug to deep yet on that line. Jesse Wright and Abigail Cook Wright from Mass living in Maine at the time their daughter married
Abraham D. Young.

Jesse Wright  Lewiston ME was a REV War Patriot. He is in the Maine Marriage Records.
birth about 1730 in Mass, died 1784 in Maine. aged 54.

He is also listed in the Abstracts of Graves of Revolutionary Patriots.

Their daughter Hannah Wright b 11 Mar 1781 Lewiston Androscoggin Co Me. died 25 Dec 1863 Piscataquis Co. Maine, US  aged 82


Vital Records of Guilford, ME Genealogy archives.

Saturday, July 30, 2011

Surname Saturday-- John LEWIS in VA and Sw PA

Trip to Carlsbad Library accidentally gave me a clue or two on JOHN LEWIS. I was not there to research this person. I spent a year on him and family in the early 1990s. I have two floppy discs of data, but never learned a couple of critical items to confirm which of about ten John LEWIS was related to my family.

Today as I was looking for data on LEE up pops data on a "John LEWIS" then up pops where he served in Frontier and what his mothers maiden name was and his siblings names. Go Figure.

I knew this was the one I was looking for because his brother in law served in this Frontier Ranger group also and was stationed at the same place.

 There was more data there which I read with great relish. Next trip I will get a picture copy and add to my files.

 The settled in the same area in sw Pa after this service.

 I have more than one Lewis line and more than one John Lewis. But this one is now established.

Now to master getting the small discs to open and I can retrieve rest of the data.

My other LEWIS line is in Lower VA area to Cumberland Co. KY area. Harriet Lewis ' DAD.
She marries Shaddrack Scott born in Pittsylvania Co. Va to John and Sophira Murray SCOTT.

John is the son of Thomas Scott of Halifax Co. VA at time of death.

Friday, July 29, 2011

Follow Friday--- Genea - Musings by Randy Seaver

Follow Friday

 Well, today is Friday, not a surprise since it follows Thursday and is before Saturday.
 
 Since Randy Seaver commented on a new ? feature of Ancestry today I said, he is the one to follow this week.  No, I read his blog posts daily. Some are interesting, educational or informational all together or separately.
 
 Since my son has decided to do some genealogical work he let me know he had joined Ancestry and was attempting to get this tree to develop for him. I thought I had truly missed something.

 I worked my tree one ancestor at a time and put a tree together. So I was at a loss as to what he was saying.  I also do not understand why the tree I have up on Ancestry did not show up for him to have  information from.  Obviously, from what Randy described in his blog this morning, if you are looking for people this format will give you several trees to choose from to improve your tree.

Having worked this, the hard way and finding sourcing a serious matter this highly  concerns the appropriate method to use.

Having recently stumbled onto information that is seriously conflicting in various members trees and they keep posting the source is another persons tree on Ancestry or rootsweb or a tree somewhere. That is not a source to be used. If it states: Will, Bible, Census, Probate, Family book, I then think it may have value.

The minute I put my tree up some years ago dozens had copied it and put it up for themselves.  I do not mind sharing but I do believe credit for the labor and costs should have been given.

My work is documented as best I can find and if not documented is stated somewhere as not proven.
Sometimes it will never be proven, at least that is what I feel. My first method of showing not known is (?).

 Randy Thanks for all the information you constantly share and put out for others to read. I wish permission to forward your post to my son.

Thursday, July 28, 2011

Treasure Chest Information Found

 Treasure Chest Thursday  Information Found.

  Today my treasure chest item came in the form of a email.   Within this email was a link to a rather old book that is on line for us to read.

  If your lines go to early American/Colonial America  time frame you may want to check out this informative book that is free on line.  I am up to page 47 and have found 5 sources already.

 Nancy Frey  UK Genealogist posted this for the Lost Colony Research Group
  www.lostcolonyresearch.org

  People in England and the USA are trying to find the missing pieces and solve a mystery of major consequences.

  I am posting her Email and approval to use data here. Title of book is very long.   Enjoy everyone. 
 
   ****


Hi Suzi,
 
Of course you can.  The book is out of copyright and it is has a wealth of knowledge about early settlers in Virginia.  What didn't occur to me until I had started following my surnames of interest and putting them on maps is that the Virginia they are talking about in 1624 is now North Carolina and incudes the outer banks.
 
Regards,
 
Nancy
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [LCRG-members] Researching Immigrants to the US

 
Nancy can I repost this on my blog page please.  Thanks  Susi 
Awaiting a reply

On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Nancy Frey wrote:

 

Hi Group,
 
I was alerted to an online book today that many of you may find interesting, if you haven't already downloaded it.  It has the very long title of "The Original Lists of Persons of Quality, emigrants, religious exiles, political rebels, serving men sold for a term of year, apprentices, etc. etc. who went to American Plantations 1600-1700".  After those Lists and not mentioned in the title are Virginia Muster Lists of 1624 which are almost like a Census.  I've already found one of my 'lost ancestors', lol.
 
Regards,
 
Nancy Frey
UK Genealogist
Lost Colony Research Group
www.lostcolonyresearch.org

Sunday, July 24, 2011

Follow Friday, My 72 Birthday COMIC CON

Following my  Events of 22 July 2011.

 Never dreaming I would do what I did at this time, I got up at 2:45 a m and went to my daughters.
 My Grandsons and their friends and I went to the Convention Center to stand in line to either get their this year tickets or next year tickets.   (On this topic, I will expound later)

After standing in line from 4 am until 6:30 we finally were allowed to go inside the Hyatt Hotel to stand until 8 minutes to 8 and they started processing for next year. Jay and Stephanie thanks for the coffee and breakfast sandwich.

It was about 9 something when we finally were allowed to purchase two tickets, but their instructions were very mudded. The other grandson and mate were able to get their badge and go to the Panel he wanted to attend.

 I visited the Convention Floor, I met some very interesting educator writers and comic writers and illustrators.  I was able to visit with some people that I have respected and enjoyed each year at the convention.  More on this family on another blog.

I think I was able to find a new genealogy member each day from Friday onward.  Today I am taking applications back with me to give them.

Liking to plant seeds on what the power of these people could do to help education move the children out of the dull history and social science books into something exciting and more factual.

I saw some great books written that were given the Paul Harvey Award for Education.  These were for grammar school  & on up for ages.

Spending most of the day talking to these types of peoples. I saw "Mouse Guard's "wife, he was away signing at another venue in the Convention. If lucky I will see him today, Sunday.

 I like to browse the areas events and booths and later if find something that I think is positive I go back and re evaluate it for purchase.

 I really want to get that Animation Program also.

  No I am not going to advertise for these people so their names are not mentioned here.

  We had lunch at a very risque or potential for, restaurant. The pulled pork sandwich was good but had more tabasco in it than I care for. Do not recall any being in home recipes. Since it was mid day the
tone was calmed but it must be quite a place at night with out children around.

  This was about 2 p m and since we had been up almost 12 hours we decided to head home and rest up for the next day.

 I came home to cards and well wishes and a call from my Son saying he was hospitalized again. They sent me a beautiful bouquet of flowers.  Fast Forward, He is home again after a 24 hour stay.

 I later in the evening received a call from my nephews saying Happy Birthday. Also received calls from my other children and family and friends to send greetings.

 My acquaintances, family and friends on Facebook sent a super abundance of greetings. I love Facebook for the family/friend interaction. I also spent time on Google + in the Hangout Room where we (Mark Olson, Philip Olson and others and I) worked on setting a world record for a couple of days.

 I am now exchanging recipes with a family in Brazil. Wooooeeeeeee. We had people from China, Korea, Australia, Brazil, Japan, Netherlands, Germany, India, all over US at different times in the rooms. I put in over 12 hours in two different spurts.
 
Thank you everyone. Blessings on you all.

So that was my 72nd birthday. Started with Hangout at 12 a m when I went to bed and got up at 2:45 a m and ended with Hangout when I had to get some sleep for the next day.

Mark Olsen - Google+  This link may get you in.

Treasure Chest Thursday= Are You Preparing One

 Treasure Chest Thursday= Are You Preparing One

 Back to the days of old, back to when times were more slow, families left many treasures from their past.

  Are you taking the time to record, capture and keep your treasure chests of today for the future families to come?

  We as a blogger are recording some of our lives now, which is compatible to the journal our ancestors wrote.

   Did we keep a dairy as a child? Mine is locked away in a trunk here in our house. I have kept journals off and on but more on since a younger sibling said to me. { SIS, what was the family like before I was born.}

   Now that will set you back on your laurel's and make you think.

   There is a 12 year difference in our ages.  This applies to almost every early family of our ancestors.
  
   When 12 to 15 children are born it takes 13 to 17 years at a minimum to accomplish this.

    When I was 18 and left home the younger members were: 14, 12, and 6.

     So since this conversation I have attempted to retrace my earlier past and record some of the events from when I was about 4 and 1/2 forward. Yes, some I vividly remember some I recall from being reminded so many times that, that was what I did.  When those events were told of course it was to my siblings to remind them of the type of child I was.

     In reflection, it is amazing how much my parents were different that I did not notice when younger and yet how much alike they were in other matters.

     So if you have not reflected and recorded some of your past for you sibling youth it would be a great present for them to have.

     Start today, and touch the life of a sibling that has those questions, they may be concerned about asking.


  

Wednesday, July 20, 2011

Wordless Wednesday, Not -- Time Capsules Anyone

The Library of Congress writer Leslie Johnston posted some really interesting information on the blog for the Library.  NGS picked it up and forwarded that to me to read,via the UpFront with NGS posted today 20 July 2011.

 I think everyone needs to come up to speed on what is said regarding Time Capsules and Digital Time Capsules.

 Really gives one something to think about. Digital Time Capsules « The Signal: Digital Preservation

 Enjoy

Sunday, July 17, 2011

Monday Madness More WARDEN Information

Daniel WARDEN  wife Mary J Langdon

 Daniel is born 1831 in Ohio  Death 31 Jan 1917 Iowa

 1850 census Liberty, Guernsey Co. OH US

His parents and siblings for 1850  Margaret is a Fuller.            1860 Des Moines, Dallas, IA, Sweede Pt.

 Samuel Warden   63                                                   Samuel 68   farmer 1800. 1000 PA
 MArgt                    43                                                   Margt   60                                      Md
 Danl                       19                                                   George 20                                       OH
 George                  14                                                   Isaac      18
 Isaac                       11                                                 Terissa    17
 Therisse                  9                                               NancyEllen 13
 Nancy E                   6

1885 Iowa State Census                                            Samuel Warden  1840 Liberty, Guernsey, OH/Owned Military Land

 Daniel Warden
age 55
Male
born Ohio
Tsp # 67
range 31
section 30
Location nw ne
Marital Status  D ivorced
Entitled to vote  X
Line No. 10
Dwelling #83
Family #83
Page # 102
State IA
County Ringgold
Twp Name Clinton
FHF 1020178
vol 257

1915 State Census
Daniel Warden
b abt 1830
BP Ohio
Male
White
Widowed
1915
residence IOWA
Res Co. Ringgold
Local CLinton
mothers birth Maryland
fathers birth Pennsylvania
Roll IA 1915-433
line 353
Daniel age 85



Confusion on Daniel's spousal situation. first married then divorced ? then widowed

Our family records implied she died young and he remarried then divorced???


Saturday, July 16, 2011

Surname Saturday, Isaac WARDEN

  Isaac Warden is the farthest back I have on this line. Census said born in Pa.
  Wife was Jeanette Mc Cune.   looking for validation sources.

 Having inherited some of Mom's genealogical files I may find something more on this family.
 She had his son's picture with wife, and grandson and wife.

 Isaac was born about 1770 supposedly in Pennsylvania. He moved to Guernsey Co., Ohio and he died in
 1842.

 Samuel was his son.  He was born 17 Oct 1795 Huntingdon Co. PA, death 18 August Grant City, MO, US. married 5 Nov 1818 Guernsey Co. OH, US.

 Margaret Fuller daughter of James Fuller of Maryland, son of  Thomas of Maryland/ She was born
 15 may 1801 Washington Co. MD  m 5 Nov 1818 Guernsey Co. OH US to Samuel.

 All their children born in OHIO, according to census. 6 boys and 4 girls.

 Daniel Warden  b 10 Feb 1830 Guernsey Co. OH, US m 25 Feb 1852 Guernsey Co., OH US to
 Mary J Langdon b abt 1835 in OH, death 20 Dec 1868 Iowa.

 Daniel later remarried and then divorced dying 31 Jan 1917 Redding, Ringgold Co., IA.

 Daniel and Mary  had Ella Warden b June 1862 whom mar Cornelius (Franklin) SCOTT.

 These are the parents of Inez Mae Scott HOFFMAN whom was born in IA and died in Wheatland, Wyoming. My mother's parent.

Looking for information on the WARDEN, LANGDON MORROW, FULLER, MCCUNE, &  SCOTT.

Friday, July 15, 2011

Follow Friday, Stand Down - San Diego

  Today is the first day  of the STAND DOWN in San Diego again this year.

This is one of the great programs that our community does to assist our Veterans in Need.

 I can not give it the credit it deserves so go hear and read the information.

 The San Diego Union-Tribune did a large spread on this program in todays' paper.



  Veterans Village of San Diego


"There is no finer program for homeless veterans in America than VVSD." Pete Dougherty, national Director of VA Homeless Programs "




Taken from the page.  


Support our Veterans.

Monday, July 11, 2011

Mystery Monday--More on Madison- Jones

 In hopes of shaking more information out of the family tree that is unknown I am going to post more data on the family of Susan Madison JONES.

Given previously was the names of all their children.  All were in NY, then ILL then IA. AHA, someone said one never left ILL. I have no proof. I need to hear from that one family's downline for more data.

 I have the papers that were written by the Granddaughter. I have many names and places. I need the contacts with down line members.

Henry George,ie George Henry    m Kathryn KERNS,  Elsie Donaldson was child in their home. Dad gave me story I will not print it here.
 Elsie marries John Miller.
more data on this George Henry to post later. Death date is 25 or 26 Sept. 1912. Believe 26 to be accurate date. 

 I have a death in Iowa with a Susan Madisn and a Noyes Jones listed as parents. A male 78 years old by the name of Henry Jones born 1834 in New York died 26 Sep 1912 father born in New york burial place Oak Hill.

  
Noel JONES born 1835 MASS ie census  death around 1855 either NY or MASS papers stated MASS as Infant. Census shows him much older than that.

Louise Arvilla JONES b 1840  marries Alfred JOHNSON and Addison JOHNSON..

William Harrison b 1841 Petersburg NY dies 31 Dec 1862 Stones River Battle, Tenn

William H. Jones (First_Last)
Regiment Name 36 Illinois Infantry
Side Union
Company H
Soldier's Rank_In Pvt.
Soldier's Rank_Out Pvt.
Alternate Name
Notes
Film Number M539 roll 46
Killed in Civil War Stones River Battle on dec 31 1862.  Refer to Calvin Fremont Jones notes for additional details.
          
LAST NAME:         JONES
FIRST NAME:         WILLIAM H.
MIDDLE NAME:        
RAN:K         PRIVATE
STATE:         ILLINOIS
REGIMENT:         36TH INFANTRY
COMPANY:         H
DATE OF BIRTH:        
DATE OF DEATH:         12-31-62
PLACE OF DEATH:         MURFREESBORO
GRAVE NUMBER:         N-5569
             

UNION ILLINOIS VOLUNTEERS

36th Regiment, Illinois Infantry

Organized at Aurora, Ill., and mustered in September 23, 1861. Moved to St. Louis, Mo., thence to Rolla, Mo., September 24-29, 1861. Attached to Dept. of Missouri to January, 1862. 2nd Brigade, Army of Southwest Missouri, to March, 1862. 2nd Brigade, 1st Division, Army of Southwest Missouri, to June, 1862. 1st Brigade, 5th Division, Army Mississippi, to September, 1862. 37th Brigade, 11th Division, Army of the Ohio, to October, 1862. 37th Brigade, 11th Division, 3rd Corps, Army Ohio, to November, 1862. 1st Brigade, 3rd Division, Right Wing, 14th Army Corps, Army of the Cumberland, to January, 1863. 1st Brigade, 3rd Division, 20th Army Corps, Army of the Cumberland, to October, 1863. 1st Brigade, 2nd Division, 4th Army Corps, to August, 1865. Dept. of Texas, to September, 1865.

SERVICE.-Duty at Rolla, Mo.,till January 14, 1862. Expedition against Freeman's forces November 1-9, 1861. Curtis' Campaign against Price in Missouri and Arkansas January to March, 1862. Advance on Springfield February 2-13. Pursuit of Price into Arkansas February 14-29. Battles of Pea Ridge, Ark., March 6-8. At Keitsville, Mo., till April 5. March to Batesville, Ark., April 5-May 3. Moved to Cape Girardeau, Mo., May 11-22, thence to Hamburg Landing, Tenn., May 23-29. Occupation of Corinth, Miss. May 30. Pursuit to Boonevilie May 31-June 6. Duty at Rienzi till September 6. Moved to Covington, Ky., thence to Louisville, Ky., September 6-19. Pursuit of Bragg into Kentucky October 1-16. Battle of Perryville, October 8. March to Nashville, Tenn., October 16-November 7. Duty there till December 26. Reconnoissance toward Clarksville November 15-20. Reconnoissance to Mill Creek November 27. Advance on Murfreesboro, Tenn., December 26-30. Battle of Stone's River December 30-31, 1862, and January 1-3, 1863. At and near Murfreesboro till June. Expedition toward Columbia March 4-14. Middle Tennessee or Tullahoma Campaign June 24-July 7. Occupation of Middle Tennessee till August 15. Passage of Cumberland Mountains and Tennessee River and Chickamauga (Ga.) Campaign August 16-September 22. Battle of Chickamauga, Ga., September 19-20. Siege of Chattanooga September 24-November 23. Chattanooga-Ringgold Campaign November 23-27. Orchard Knob November 23-24. Mission Ridge November 25. Pursuit to Graysville November 26-27. March to relief of Knoxville November 28-December 8. Operations in East Tennessee till January, 1864. Regiment Veteranize January 1, 1864, and Veterans on furlough till March. Atlanta (Ga.) Campaign May 1 to September 8. Demonstration on Rocky Faced Ridge May 8-11. Buzzard's Roost Gap May 8-9. Demonstration on Dalton May 9-13. Battle of Resaca May 14-15. Adairsville May 17. Near Kingston May 18-19. Cassville May 19. Advance on Dallas May 22-25. Operations on line of Pumpkin Vine Creek and battles about Dallas, New Hope Church and Allatoona Hills May 25-June 5. Operations about Marietta and against Kenesaw Mountain June 10-July 2. Pine Hill June 11-14. Lost Mountain June 15-17. Assault on Kenesaw June 27. Ruff's Station, Smyrna Camp Ground, July 4. Chattahoochie River July 5-17. Buckhead, Nancy's Creek, July 18. Peach Tree Creek July 19-20. Siege of Atlanta July 22-August 25. Flank movement on Jonesboro August 25-30. Battle of Jonesboro August 31-September 1. Loveioy Station September 2-6. Pursuit of Hood, into Alabama October 1-26. Nashville Campaign November-December. Columbia, Duck River, November 24-27. Spring Hill November 29. Battle of Franklin November 30. Battle of Nashville December 15-16. Pursuit of Hood to the Tennessee River December 17-28. At Huntsville, Ala., till March, 1865. Operations in East Tennessee March 15-April 22. Moved to Nashville and duty there till June. Moved to New Orleans, La., June 15-23. Duty at Headquarters of General P. H. Sheridan, Commanding Dept. of the Gulf, to October. Mustered out October 8 and discharged at Springfield, Ill., October 27, 1865.

Regiment lost during service 11 Officers and 193 Enlisted men killed and mortally wounded and 1 
Officer and  127 Enlisted men by disease. Total 332.

Taken from Data at Stones River National Park, Tenn.


Calvin Fay JONES** b 15 May 1843 Rensselaer Co. NY m 5 July 1868 Butler Co IA, US, to Hannah YOUNG b 13 Sept 1850 Bellidere, Boone Co. ILL, her death was 27 Jul 1941 Moorhead, Clay Co. Minn, US. His death was on 23 Sept 1910 Nashua, IA.

 He served with Harrison ( WH) at Stones River , Tenn. mortally wounded according to records then survived they later learned. He was given a pension. He then re enlisted, was not well enough to perform duties and then fought for 25 years to get his pension back. I have all the documentation on him the government would part with. Many stories shared by family members.

I believe Bellidere is Belvidere, ILL but not proven yet. 

He is my ancestor. I have a picture of him and his family hanging on wall near computer. I also married on the same date  5 July many years later. I somehow think he was telling me to do this. Because we were going to marry on the 4th and 
I ended up wanting it to be a separate date from the 4th.  I do believe our ancestors talk to us if we listen.'


Jennie b 1847  NY dies 28 Feb 1874 age 27  census 1850 says she was 5 so her birth may have been 1845. I have contact with one down line kin. She marries Fred Apel, he has picture of their daughter Frances Apel whom marries Alfred P Williams District Attorney of Chicago and had 2 daughters  brianmarsh@columbus.rr.com

Lucy Jones b 1847 Petersburg, NY  marries a William FULLER scant information.

Charles E who is not on the 1850 census but born that year in Rensselaer Co. NY , dies 26 Sept 1916 marries Betsey Bartlett ( her family from Ny also)

I have many interesting stories about Great Uncle Charlie from Grandmother Victoria Mae (Ida) Foulk JONES.

I feel I got to know him about the best besides GGranddad. My father grew up knowing this family. 


Some data from written sources by family, some from personal research and some census and government records.

Ed Roberts  Ed is also a cousin and down line from Calvin's only daughter Nora Jepson.
I have other members of Calvin's family in my files. I need to locate the family that was representing George Henry ie Henry George and others listed here.
SusiCP@cox.net

Sunday, July 10, 2011

Surnames Saturday-- A MADISON-MATTISON named Susan

In my data base knowledge I have Susan Madison which may have been Mattison will be posted here.

 I learned of Susan from a second cousin and of course from my Grandfather.

  Susan Madison JONES according to tombstone   Data

 24 March 1818
 13 Feb 1881

 Marriage has never been found.  We know her husband was Baptist and family is still Baptist as far as I am told.

 She was supposedly born in Mass, but  her children have her in MASS, CT. VT for birth.
 She was supposedly married in Mass, again 20 years of research and still no closer than ever.

 Son Noel, (second son) born 1835 in Mass. This son died ??1855 ish in NY prior to them moving to Illinois. No proof found for him except census records.
1850 census says 13 years  family says 1835. I do not believe all census data correct.

 First son born New York.(Henry George) also listed as (George Henry) .. have trail for him
 and all the other children.
 Census data also for Noyes and Susan Madison JONES 1850 Petersburg, Rensselaer, NY, US


Name:
Noyes Jones
Age:
40
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1810
Birth Place:
New York
Gender:
Male
Home in 1850 (City,County,State):
Petersburg, Rensselaer, New York
Family Number:
294
Household Members:
Name
Age
40
33
14
13
Louis A Jones this is Louise Arvilla
10
9
7
Jones Jones   Jennie  

Lucy JONES 
3

Charles is not born until later that year.
Sometime after 1855 or so they moved to McHenry Co ILL. Boys served in CW from there.
Then after war moved to IOWA, Nashua, area.  Died Chickasaw Co. Bradford twp, IA corner of three counties from family whom lives there.  


 The one clue I found was this on the 1880 census in Riverton, Floyd, IA



Name:
Geo Madison
Birth Year:
abt 1823
Age in 1870:
47
Birthplace:
New York
Home in 1870:
Riverton, Floyd, Iowa
Race:
White
Gender:
Male
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name
Age
47
36
10


 I believe this is her brother,  also. Conjecture totally at this point.
Name:William Madison
Home in 1880:Beaver, Butler, Iowa
Age:70
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1810
Birthplace:New York
Father's birthplace:Vermont
Mother's birthplace:Massachusetts
Neighbors:View others on page
Occupation:Boarder
Marital Status:Married
Race:White
Gender:Male
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:
Household Members:
NameAge
Charles Knipe56
Elinor Knipe47
Etta Mc Bride17
William Madison70

Another fact is the boundaries of VT, MASS and NY at this corner were in flux for years.
There is some data on the JONES Family in Bennington, VT Library.

Family story written by the grand daughter stated that they were married around 1832 in Mass, near Springfield, Holyoke, MASS.

25 years ago I dug as deep as I could there, without going there, recently have re starting checking information.

Son NOEL born in MASS is supposedly to have died in MASS no proof found on that tidbit either.

I have tried to track out George and William for more clues and they both dissappear in thin air.

 I have looked at the 1810 census for clues, wrote queries asking if any one has data on the Madison that is listed in the 1820 census in that area. There are a few so far no response. In Mass, side the spelling is consistently Mattison. ???

I have worked with the Mattison Association for clues and ideas.

It is also been said by many that she may have been born about 1814 or 1816 instead of 1818 on tombstone. I think they say this due to dates on Census.

I suspect she may have been first born child. Conjecture totally.

Where she died was in the area George was living. Again their home was on boundary of the three counties explained to me by cousins whom still live there.  They were also moved due to road widing ot current cemetery instead of where originally buried.

I could put many rejection slips up but want to start positive.  I today have more than I had last year with the new census data on George and the recent finding of this William.  They also seem to dissappear into thin air. 

I found a George Madison later of his age in Alleg. Co. NY but nothing else matched do not think him.
Alas the only NOEL JONES to fit Noyes father is also in this county but not in court papers, will, probate or land and court squabble over NOEL being not stable by Children of NOEL prior to last marriage (not long before he died.)  32 pages of documentation. NOYES is not mentioned not once.
May be kin but do not think his father. 

Friday, July 8, 2011

Follow Friday, A Few of Many I Love

 Following blogs are so much fun, educational and relaxing. I follow lots of blogs, some steady some hit and miss but I will say today that I love to follow anything Dick Henthorn writes. We still not sure if our lines connect after about 30 years but a very nice blog friend and family friend.

 I love outdoors and scenery so I also like to follow: Our Life in Photos by Gini.

I follow a couple of cousins for information and for fun.
Gramma's House: Abby, our California Granddaughter, is Growing Up Fast  Becky Jamison

Tina Sansone's  cousin also
Genealogy Help and Information

I love Amy  Coffins blogs, her recent one was over the top in thought and presentation.
The We Tree Genealogy Blog: If Genealogists Ran Hollywood


EAST OF THE SUN, WEST OF THE MOON: WHAT'S ON MY E-READER
Our reading appetites seem to run the same vein.  :>)   Thanks Bill

 *The Old Geezer Blog  What can I say, I like his blog comments and chat.


Nutfield Genealogy: A Yankee at Jamboree – Part 5 Wrap Up Cousin Heather Rojo's blog is a great place to learn about family and New Hampshire


Myrtle like Footnote Maven is very long time friends. I think we linked on lines eons ago.

I read so many and I hate to list just a few but branch out and see what is out there to share knowledge and time.

I follow Thomas M also both his Austin Family and Geneabloggers site. 

Needless to say I follow cousin Randy Seaver daily.  LOL some times we cross wires but he is so knowledgeable technical that I dare not miss his information.

Ruth I follow her also.  We are finally find one link in our lines though I suspect about three are still out there. I am finding more southern kin than ever before.

I think our society now has four bloggers: Randy Seaver, Ruth Himan, Shirley Becker and I.

I hoped others would come home from Jamboree and blog also.


Thursday, July 7, 2011

Thriller Thursday with a Twist

Thriller Thursday just almost hits the spot for this bit of thoughts pounding in my head.

This morning I read Genea-Musings by Randy Seaver and thought back to a week or so ago when there was another post on this topic of sorts.  Needless it was prompted I believe by a Saturday fun game Randy had suggested regarding ones heritage and whom were your parents.

The bottom line was some one, I read, but did not keep name stated that all the answers were wrong.
The reason being unless you had your Ydna and Mtdna done you had no proof positive whom your parents were. It was there for only a paper trail with out source.

 Ever since the YDna and Mtdna started to come to the fore I was wondering how long it would take for the genealogical community to realize what was going to happen.  Obviously  the time is now to really think on this.

 I have had YDna and Mtdna done for several years now. I do have data on both my Mom and my Dad.
 I have it on my Grand Mom and my Grand Dad by having various members of the family tested on my Mom's side and I have data on my Fathers parents also. Which I was thinking I did not but do have.
 I then had my husbands side done, both the YDna and the Mtdna for  his parents. I am hoping to go back further by having various other members tested.

 I originally started with the basic test so we could at least preserve the information and could expand on it later if we felt we needed to.

 Now we are splitting hairs and getting very technical with our research.  I have a strong feeling that if there is a sibling around of the opposite sex of oneself they need tested, ie I mean if your female have your brother tested to get the YDna and the Mtdna for your Dad and for your MOM. He carries both. Do not need a special one for you separate.

 I still think if there is no brother you need to locate an Uncle's  male child of father to use as tests, reason is the link goes to the Grandparents.

 It is very hard to get these tests to ferret out the Indian lineages though. If you have a female Indian in lineage it must be from a female descendant under her to keep the line clear. If it was a male descendant and you are a female you must find a male descendant of this line to track back, ie collateral kin.
 Cousins will share the same grandparents.

 So today we found them talking about in vitro fertilization. I am not sure Mr. Greenspan is ready to explain what happens when a fetus is transplanted in another's body, or when is a step  in parent by carrying the sperm.

 It is one thing to adopt and share and have different parents due to circumstances beyond your own control.  Alas we are not controlling the other form either.  So when we started, siting our intense resources did you ever realize it would get to the over information of data I suspect no one really wants revealed.

Randy quotes lots of sources on his Genea-Musing article today. It would behoove most genealogist to read it.

My marriage is 52 years strong our children are ours. But we all have today some kin that charts do not follow or even prepare to give you space to present.

When a marriage with children ends and the parents remarry and more children come you now have 1/2 siblings.  Now Dick Eastman wrote on this topic and said if I understood him right kin is kin the 1/2 is not viable. I totally concur with that concept. Which 1/2 were you going to accept and which 1/2 were you going to deny.  But if your charting this it makes a difference.

The comment that was most profound by Randy was one on the percentage of children born to married couples that are not really both of them's child.

Now you can see why I put it under Thriller Thursday.

Would love to hear feed back and learn what you do in charting these situations.

Tuesday, July 5, 2011

Tombstone Tuesday, Warden Cemetery,Boone, Iowa


I will attempt to get all these photo's up for other WARDEN -BOSWORTH Family researchers.
 Marget  (Margret) was wife of  Samuel WARDEN.  Margaret was born a Fuller 1801 to 1897.
She was born in Washington Co., Maryland and moved with her father James FULLER to OH where she met and married Samuel.


Samuel was born 17 Oct 1795 Huntingdon Co. PA and died 18 Aug 1884, Grant City, Worth, MO, US
They married 5 Nov 1818.
Samuel's father was Isaac Warden b 1770 - died 1842, w Jeanette McCune, from Pennsylvania to  Guernsey Co. OH.

Alas my documentation was left laying on the trunk in MOM's room in May. Mother had the pictures of these members given her by her MOM. My sister Roberta has one of them. If lucky maybe some of my pictures will turn out ok.

Monday, July 4, 2011

Monday's Madness, Hurray the 4th of July

  Being that today has been the celebration of our nation becoming independent from the British Crown, I am sure that the Loyalists truly thought it was madness to defend ourselves against the tyranny that they were attempting to impose.

 The courage that our forefathers, and families endured are some times almost unfathomable.
The uncertainty of what the next day would bring, would the Indian be our neighbor or our enemy.

 So much was riled up to get the people to go for the continuance of the British that as I attempt to contemplate what was happening, I find it hard to grasp at times.

 My family has been here long before the Colonists and my family has been here since the coming of the
Jamestown people, The Mayflower People and all the others that came after.  It is very suspect that two lines may have come during, The Lost Colony event.

 It pleases me that this group( Lost Colony) are attempting to find answers to many questions that linger as to the loss of families. It is really a modern Ancient Mystery that with DNA studies and people on at least two continents  are digging up,  we may have an answer forth coming within a few years.

It seems possible since the Indian's did not use our names prior to the arrival yet with a short period of years after, that many of the Indian lines carry the same last names of the colonists that disappeared.

Historians are also looking at the same name matches for the Jamestown settlers, and the Mayflower and other arrivals.  Some names are mentioned on all three.

When they came is probably not as near as important as the fact that they did come, they worked hard, they struggled and defended each other, they worked together and banded into a strong group of peoples.

Alas the fact they came for religious freedom soured them on granting each other religious freedom but when the chips were down they united and created this great nation we now live in.

 By the way did you hear the U tube story of the Marine retired singing the entire National Anthem not just the first part. I think we should sing it in entirety always. I remember in school we did it every Friday. Thanks to that great teacher's patriotic spirit.



This really has not to do with Tea Party but the anthem was awesome.
May all our service people everywhere  by blessed.

Sunday, July 3, 2011

Sentimental Sunday- More on Migration Thoughts.

 Sentimentally I have decided to climb up the rock and shout out, " I am not an expert. Never expressed that I was or would be."

 Off the rock and no longer shouting.  Yes, I have spoken to people with various degrees whom feel they are very knowing in their fields, haven't we all.

 The only answer to finding answers is to dig, dig and leave no rock unturned.  Sometimes Providence provides the answers when we are not looking. Serendipity anyone?  O yes, we have to document, document until there is more documentation than data printed on person.

 Long ago I had a website put up and it was kept well until the web person became very ill.
I am not web smart to work the site. It has fallen in need of massive repair.

 When that site went up everything on that site was sourced at least two ways some times more.
As other cousins data was added sometimes things were not checked and so today we still have data that may not be accurate on the site.  My recourse is to hire someone else to restructure the site and make it valid again. This I have yet to do in hopes cousin will become well and return to what they love to do.

 Cancer is a mean collateral cousin in most peoples families any more it seems. If not then maybe it could be Heart Disease or Pulmonary problems as bed kin.

 I recall the fun we had finding the sources and the cousins and the information to make things accurate. We  recall the fun nights of laughter and cheer as we shared the many same traits in our various lineages.

 The same words we used to describe things even if almost a continent apart, the hand mannerisms, the quirky hair cowlicks, the funky fingers and toes all made it more fun and interesting to continue on our search.

 Some of these awesome people have passed on to the other Side.  The knowledge they held was so awesome.  If I had known that documentation was going to be key, many things my Grandparents told me as first hand I would have had them write it out and sign it.

 Alas some that was done that way the government lost in shipment to Hawaii never to be seen again.
 There was advantage of writing to the aged ones as a youth because I had kept the letters until the government so carelessly misplaced or lost them.

 So as we migrated west as a family from the east coast to the west coast we retained some entities of our families past and lost some. It is so amazing how many we did not lose.

  Have you compared your family traits to other collateral kin from east to west or north to south?
 
  Have you discovered how much alike yet different that you are?

  Many whom migrate loose the terms of language and attitudes of the past, ironically for some others retain a portion of them or more.

Saturday, July 2, 2011

Surname Saturday with Sorting Saturday Names and Claims.

  A good to do day is about to happen. With data arriving from other places and family migrating all over the places, it is time to crack the whip and dig deeper to see what can be delved.

  YDNA has brought a kink in the armor of the family name.  Definitely not to toss it out but the migratory pattern is a wee different than most of us have thought.  If you speak one language and live that lingo and the papers say that is where you were from.  Obviously you were from some where else before that to have the YDNA response that was given.

    I recently gave a talk on Migration from the early beginnings of man to a late 1830s for most part.
It was done in two parts. I had studied Ancient History long ago. I find it totally fascinating and full of riddles and quizzes just like genealogy.  Not understanding how anyone can do Genealogy with out
knowing the history of the place, the country, the migratory patterns used to get to there and leave there
I thought I should share some of those views with others.

   Does the lack of historical knowledge slow down genealogical research, absolutely.  It reminds me of the puzzle Dad used to give us and say, " Now put all the states in the right places," then he would say," what is the capitol of that state?"  He did not stop there, he would ask if we knew what the states products were. if we knew if the Oregon Trail went across that state and all kinds of history questions.

   Because we traveled to Wyoming, Oregon, and New Mexico and Colorado on different years we covered many of the western states.  It was after marriage that I was exposed to the mid west and many years later finally arriving east.

   So why these comments with the heading? It is simple, I am going to sort the name variants and the claims and see if there is a pattern to the strange assortment of spellings. I am also going to delve into the migratory pattern of the lineage in Europe mid 1600's and see if there was a backward migration time that happened.

    If that did not happen then some things become obvious very fast as to the combination of genes in the line.

    If  as data suggests and tells us we were in Germanic region of Europe 1600-1700's then by mid 1750's we migrated to the Colonies speaking one language and carrying the customs of that language, how did the Scot Irish English get so heavy into the lineage.

 The next heavy lineage is Danish, now that is not so far off from Germanic in region relations.
The Danes actually controlled a good portion of Schleswig-Holstein for several years.

  Wonder what armies of Caesar invaded Scotland, Ireland and England?  Back to ancient history and Rome and it's warring parties events.  Benninghoff, Penticuff, Penycope, Bennycope Bennigoff, and the variants continue on.