Thursday, December 30, 2010

Blessed New Year to One and All.

  Happy Blessed New Year  to each and every one.   Weather out side is delightful.
  I trust the Holiday's have been very delightful.

  A new year brings many thoughts and many wishes
  I hope everyone can be blissful

  A time for Thanksgiving for the Past
  A time for Looking to the Future.

  A time to remember and to garner insight into
  what life has yet to bring to us.

   From our house to yours may all your hopes and dreams
   be good ones.

Friday, December 10, 2010

From a friend & wanting to share with all my friends and family.

I will be making a conscious effort to wish everyone
Merry Christmas this year ...
My way of saying that I am celebrating

the birth Of Jesus Christ.

So, I am asking my online buddies,
if you agree with me,
to please do the same.
And if you'll pass this on to

your online buddies, and so on...
maybe we can prevent one more
American tradition from being lost in the sea of
"Political Correctness".

Wednesday, December 8, 2010

CVGS Xmas Party

For those who plan on attending the CVGS Xmas Party please advise immediately if attending.

We have to order the ham and turkey and this is sad to have only 3 responses.

If you wait until Saturday you will have to contact the president Gary Brock or Virginia Taylor. I will not be available.

I am ordering smaller and less because this is the least of attendees I have received ever.

Hospitality Hostess

email or respond here please.

Christmas is coming. Can you believe that? part 2

Ah, I am back, see I feel better not perfect hee hee but better, so much better.
I received an email from my son with his pup as he calls him. He also sent one with his dog and
his Pup. Looking laid back and ignoring the snow and weather it seems to me. I hear his barn is
about done so the animals are in a much warmer place.

His brother was by tonight and left his Dad some more books to read. Now if we could get his sciatic nerve to settle down and leave him alone (Dad)(Fred). It looks like more good books about war and airplanes.

Tree lights are up since Thanksgiving. Outside lights are up since Saturday, hurray, so much slower this year than in past. Neighbor came and helped delegate the design. We like it.

So we ask Christmas cards are next. Packages bought are already wrapped. Any baking will take place when I fly back unless the others do it. I love what we are to blog about on different days but I just did not feel like setting her typing away.

Hey, Hey tomorrow's another day. I did not miss the baking on Thanksgiving and the family did their deeds so I suspect this holiday will fair quite well also.

Did anyone remember Pearl Harbor Day? Gerald O Jones was there and he wrote memoirs of the event. Maybe I will get them printed this next year. I watched unshown films last night on Military Channel and I find the reefs where the ships lay are very fascinating that they are
building new stories in the water.

I know that many other members of our family were involved in PH and other areas of the war.
My Uncle Dick was personal guard to President Ike and the stories he tells are exciting,and traumatic.

My nephews have served my grandnephew is serving, my uncles served, my husband served, my son served, my brother served. Our service goes back to Revolutionary War and earlier.

May our world be blessed with Peace before we have no world.

Christmas is Coming Can you believe that?

Christmas is coming just like any other day of the year. The clock is still ticking and the world still spins around. The clouds dance softly across the sky or they fly in angry movement as the winds whip up the sky.

Second series of physical therapy for my neck and back. I finally have some of my functioning back. Car trunks lids are dangerous and can render us great harm. Be wary as you load your gifts and move to and fro. One more therapy and then off to the clouds I go.

Family is awaiting on the other end. I am trusting God to keep Mom safe until I can arrive.
I bought cards 4 weeks ago but it bothered me to do much movement and write. Worse some of my writing I could hardly read. Ier go my cards are setting still undone.

Now I am feeling better and so I want to say Blessed Holiday Season to one and to all. Blessed Christmas to all those whom believe. Be safe and careful and have a good holiday.

May you be Blessed now and always and live a long life.

Wednesday, November 24, 2010


Reading through my emails I have learned two things.

1. Thanksgiving was held in Virginia

2. It was two years before Thanksgiving was held in MASS.

Talk about reading rivalry. The main thing was that we held a Thanksgiving and we are still

holding a Thanksgiving.


Monday, November 22, 2010

Scott Information.... ie Thomas Scott kin

Deposition of Robert Lankford, Monroe County Kentucky (transcribed from a copy of the original)
June 2, 1889
Monroe County State of Kentucky June the 2 1889. This day personally appeared before me, a public notary in and for Monroe Co. Ky., Robert Lankford, who, after having duly sworn, deposes as follows: that he was married in 1826 to one Lucinda Randolph a daughter of Paton [Peyton] Randolph, he lived in the Hiwesa [Hiwassee] purchase, he settled in that county and lived there until 1834, there were 10 children born of his wife Lucinda, named as follows: Emlee [Emily] Lankford the wife of John Green, Lewis M. Lankford, J. Q. [John Q.] Lankford, Elizabeth B. Lankford the wife of A. W. [Archibald W.] Potter, Eliza Lankford the wife of Henry Scott, H.F. [Hiram F.] Lankford, Manurva [Minerva] Lankford the wife of Peter Reaser [Reser], A.B. [Alexander B.] Lankford, Luda Lankford the wife of A.L. [Abraham L.] Reser, M.L. [Mary Lucinda] Lankford the wife of J. B. [John Bugg] Gee [Jr.], that the foregoing children are all the Robert Lankford children and he claims all of them and he raised all of them as his family and Lucinda my wife always claimed to be a relative of the Cherokee nation of Indians, that the names of the Paton [Peyton] Randolph family are as follows: Elizabeth his wife, her maiden name Lasen [Lawson], their children Thomas Randolph, Chism Randolph, Ruben Randolph, Pleasant Randolph, Landcaster[Lancaster] Randolph, Jeptha Randolph, Paton [Peyton] Randolph Junior, Daughters: Dorcus Randolph, Lucinda Randolph, Sallie Manurva [Minerva]Randolph ware the Randolph family. Signed by Robert Lankford this June 2, 1889. [Witness names that follow are not transcribed].

Source of original deposition:
U.S Native American Applications for Enrollment in Five Civilized Tribes, 1896 [Dawes Commission]
Application of Emily Green [daughter of Robert Lankford and Lucinda Randolph]
Tribe: Cherokee
Application Number 2600
Exhibit 7
Note: Names in brackets are not from the original, but are derived from other historical documents and provided to correct spelling errors and complete abbreviations.
Transcribed by Lawrence Herrell (descendent of Eliza Lankford and Henry Martin Scott)

Thursday, November 18, 2010

Languishing through the boxes of Research notes

I am slowly able to dig into some stored research. I still have not found my family photos of the FOULK family my Great Aunt gave me and my Grandmother shared. I recall them being dated back to the mid 1800's.

I did find my copied papers of JONES to send to NY. I also found the papers on the HOFFMAN family, shared with me by my cousin in Chico, California. Now to locate my MYERS and the FOULK
papers. I found I had more data on my PAF file than I do have on my current Reunion Program.

I was sure of that before because it seems I keep doing replicate work and re entering what I had entered before. Guess I will have to get my G3 up and running and save myself lots of work.

Then I hope to have Gary connect the computers together so I can work more efficiently.

I found the Deeds, Wills and Probate papers on the early HUFFMAN family before the name on our line was moved over to HOFFMAN. Yes, still in the independent folders for each name.

I also found maps I want to share but not sure how the society can use them and store them. mmmmm Let's see how can respond to that comment and give suggestions.

Treasures Abound

Thursday is Treasure Day

Life is a Treasure so every day is a treasure. The sun is out the air is cool. Rain maybe by the

A treasure for the day is potential clean carpets. He does such a great job.

A genealogical treasure is the setting and sorting papers of several years ago and finding
where the data and tidbits went. This is an event I normally do in January but since my
head and neck recovering from a hit on it. I am being quieter and doing lots of reading.

I hope to get my Xmas cards done and my letters written early, positive side affect of slow

Yesterday I found Henry and Elizabeth HIggins HOFFMAN ( HUFFMAN"s) later pictures I knew I had
somewhere in the boxes.

Sunday, November 14, 2010

Sundays' Remembered More JONES


As I am thinking of the holiday and the holidays past I thought I would share a bit of
family lore.

As a young lady, we transplanted from Wyoming (what a beautiful state) to Northern California.
Marin county to be exact on the outskirts of a town called Petaluma (1940's Chicken Capitol
of the World). You go out D Street Extension to what is name changed to Red Hill Road, out the winding road through dairy farms and cow fields a few Chicken barns also.

I lived on my Aunt and Uncles ranch with my parents. Dad came west for MOM's health and Dad to help his brother in law milk cows during the war. He was color blind and could not be in service but was coast watcher with others.

My two older cousins and I shared lots of chores and fun on the ranch. Fed the calves, rabbits, rats, and did other chores. Cousin raised rats for a local pet store. The other cousin had bantam chickens have grown style critters.

We had great Christmases and generally a good Thanksgiving also. Aunt's kitchen could set 30 easily.

I truly miss the sharing of family at this time. We made horehound cough drops (candy) for winter with Great Granda'.

Christmas the boys could get out the train track and it run all through their house up the hall, down the hall in the bedrooms and living room on the other end out to the kitchen and around.
Smoke, lights, crossings, bridges and all, seems they run at least three trains and had at least 4 transformers throughout the house.

Fortunately these cousins are still alive but scattered all over the state of California, one in the Valley, one in Northern CA, way north, and one in Sonoma County, not far from MOM.
Yes Aunt had a boy when I was in Jr. Hi.

This has always been a remembering time of year for me.

First year married and spent time in hospital, almost lost our baby.

Etta Maxine Jones Morelli was an awesomely loving woman and worked hard and was a very loving and caring Aunt.

Her Sisters Bethel L Jones C still alive was also someone I am very close too. Aunt Muril Jones
C. I. also is still with us and lives in Colorado.

Auntie and I share a birth date for one of our children, her last, my second. She had five children. Uncle Pete and I shared a couple of special memories from when he came back from the war. Shell Shock is no fun.

Aunt M had two girls and a super great Uncle Joe. I had a Uncle Joe doll in honor of him during the growing up time of life. He was a great cook.

I love my cousins though seldom get to see them. That was something Dad always made sure we kept in touch with family.

I have kept semi close touch with my cousins in Colorado and in California but those that snuck off to other parts of the world have been more elusive and some reclusive it seems.

I sure hope everyone can set down and remember someone during Thanksgiving time and give thanks for all that was shared in the past.

Surnames on Saturday Jones Wives

Saturday was a good day to think of surnames unfinished. Wow, I have a lot of them.
Now if I was to copy all the data out there on the web many would appear to be complete.
We know that is the thing not to do, they can only be guides to the discoveries one should make
on their own. I have used a few when documentation is presented an researcher has given

Whom was Alice Berry's parents she married Richard Berry and lived in Mass. 1645 etc.
Daughter Elizabeth Berry m 5 Mar 1656 Yarmouth Mass to Josiah JONES b 1652 Yarmouth Mass
They were in East Greenwich R. I by 22 October 1696. He was gone by 1744/45.

Who was Priscilla Hamilton (Hamblin)'s parents and which name is right?
She married Seth JONES who was born abt 1693 in Yarmouth died East Greenwich, Kent, R. I.?
As you can see I have little on her for charting, lots of potential on paper but no proof, to
many have taken story and made it written as fact so the truth is distorted.

Who was Susannah (?) JONES married to NOEL JONES born about 1785 near Albany, papers say?
She is the mother of Noyes JONES b 1808--9 1809 in court documents and 1808 on tombstone.
She only shows once to my knowledge on the 1810 census in Rensealer Co, NY. With her husband
and Noyes as small child not yet 5.

Wednesday, November 10, 2010

Wednesday Christmas is Coming Are the Geese Getting Fat?

WOW, WEDNESDAY was a interesting day. Between head spinning and eyes hurting and trunk of car smacking my head again after all that, I think it is time to say. HURRAY Tyler got hired today.
Now for the rest of those unemployed to find a job. It will be a long commute but he wants to work.

I have misfiled the winter blankets this past season of warm. Still hunting for two of those will need in ten days.
I bought the Xmas Angel for Xmas event today. Michael's had them on sale. Lots and lots of pretties for Xmas and the New Year.

Alas they are money grabbers and take away the meaning of Xmas and saving and being thrifty and helping others. Does not mean they were not attractive if you have the funds to purchase them and help an helpless family also.

Take the time to make this Xmas a meaningful one and pick a family to help. Have each child share in this experience so they learn also the true meaning of giving and caring.

Food for a family, maybe a warm clothing item each. Make sure that the children of your own know the difference between an item of need and an item of want.

Mine had trouble with that. Need was very hard to do with out and stay okay. Want is think you need but can surely live with out.

I liked mine to choose two items for each list. We saved large items for birthdays because we share with many at Xmas.

Time to think about the Xmas letter, the Xmas travel the Xmas fun and the Xmas stress.
Remember GOD and the other can all go rest.

Thanksgiving is but days away. May you all set down and give thanks for what we have, for as
American's we have so much more than so many thousands, we should never ever grumble and complain. O yes I do it too, I really do.

May you all have a super blessed safe Thanksgiving and a Joyous fun Holiday season. Make each day count and make a list daily of what your thankful for it may help keep us grounded.

I am thankful for all my friends and family and the world as know it, may we make it a better place not worse.

Tuesday, November 9, 2010

New Post Idea, Holiday's Upon Us. Veteran's Day

Veteran's Day is Thursday and I will be away from a computer so wanted to say," Please honor our veterans, one and all, old and young, sick and well, home and away".
Fred this is to say Thank You for your service to the country so your children did not have to live in fear of no food or home or parents. 25 Years you gave your all, Thank You.
Don this is for you for your time served, We all appreciate it even though siblings may not realize how important it is to serve. A different war and a different time but still helped to keep us safe and free.
To all my children's friends who have served, Mike Stacy, I think of you.Thank You and others my brain is not remembering.
To my nephew, Wayne whom served what a nasty war that was. Thank You.
To my cousins:Jerry,Ken,Ivan and Rich,Hartley,Larry, Bob, Aubie and others and their children whom have served since A BIG THANK YOU.
To my brother whom served a very nasty war with my husband and brother in law and other relatives. Thank You.

Have a Blessed Thanksgiving and remember this country was founded with God as it's guide.

Christmas is Coming the Geese are getting Fat
Anyone have a penny to put in the old man's hat?

Monday, November 8, 2010

Interesting word shared with me. Paraprosdokin

A paraprosdokian (from Greek "ðáñá-", meaning "beyond" and "ðñïóäïêßá", meaning "expectation") is a figure of speech in which the latter part of a sentence or phrase is surprising or unexpected in a way that causes the reader or listener to reframe or reinterpret the first part. It is frequently used for humorous or dramatic effect, sometimes producing an anticlimax. For this reason, it is extremely popular among comedians and satirists. (Wikipedia)

* I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.

* Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

* The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.

* We never really grow up; we only learn how to act in public.

* War does not determine who is right - only who is left.

* Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

* Evening news is where they begin with 'Good evening,' and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.

* To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research.

* A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk, I have a work station.

* How is it that one careless match can start a forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a campfire?

* I thought I wanted a career; turns out I just wanted pay checks.

* A bank is a place that will lend you money, if you can prove that you don't need it.

* Whenever I fill out an application, in the part that says "If an emergency, notify: " I put "DOCTOR".

* I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

* A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

* You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.

* The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!

* Hospitality: making your guests feel like they're at home, even if you wish they were.

* I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.

* When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water.

* You're never too old to learn something stupid.

* To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target.

* Some people hear voices. Some see invisible people. Others have no imagination whatsoever.

* A bus is a vehicle that runs twice as fast when you are after it as when you are in it.

Shared by a friend but thought genealogists would enjoy reading it. I think that is a term we should consider in our research. :>)

Credit to whom ever created it. It was not I.

Saturday's Event "Research Trip Planning"


Saturday a talk on planning a Research Trip was given. The intent was to help everyone to
be prepared with their research adventures, whether to local library, aunt or uncles, or
parents home. Remembering we all get caught up in the event of the moment sometimes we come
home really bummed because a couple of things we wanted to discuss was never mentioned.

There are steps we can take to prevent that.

This talk will be given again at the Lemon Grove Library 17 November 6 p.m.

If your planning to go to the Los Angeles Library Research Trip in December you will
be a few steps ahead if you learn these tips.

Much depends on a little homework before you go and the use of some very helpful charts,
using the information you already have, and placing on these charts so you know what you
really need to look for or even discover what you are really missing and not aware of.

Remember that the backbone of your research is the 5 Generation Chart and the work horse of
your genealogy is your family group sheet. You need a Family Group Sheet for each member
listed on the 5 Generation Chart. You then need your research resource charts to record what
you have and what you will want to look for.

I have five I like very much, but many people have their own favorites to use. The key is
to use them.

The other key is doing your preparation properly to enhance your work time and effort.
Of course not all planning goes according to goals. You may end up with a complete
package of different information than what was originally expected or intended. It may
be more valuable than what you expected.

Your charts should show the source of where you gathered the information, the information
you gathered, when gathered, what it applies to. One chart should be filled with questions
regarding where to look and what to look for and how to achieve that. A chart should show
you whom you have contacted, whom you need to contact, results and how it relates to your
needs. Charts help also to be able to site your sources easier because they ask questions
when we get excited and forget to follow through with out the charts questions or comments

We had 10 and 1 guest at the Saturday event in Bonita. With holiday's approaching and
families gathering to visit and share was really hoping for a larger turn out but everyone
that attended said they learned lots and lots of information. That is the intention of the
event, to help Genealogists to learn more about how to do research and researching methods.

Thursday, October 28, 2010

Thursday Chatter was abound, my heart is heavy I have found.

What a beautiful start of the day, the sun was out, the breeze was a bit strong but warm. Took my A /B student grandson to Starbuck's on way to school for Strawberry drink. We had a nice breakfast and then the chatter began.

A neighbor called, a grandson called, another grandson called, a daughter called, a sister called, that was not the end.

I took a break and fed the birds, they are so much fun to watch. Some are afraid of the least bit of sound the others just stare at the window to see if they should stop eating. The hummingbirds are now 6 again for some time there was only 4.

With the wires still on fire I called my Mom to see how she was adapting to her oxygen system. She seemed to be handling it well considering the chatter in the background.

So I gave up on chatting and have my nose in a book attempting to digest everyone's comments on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I read the Facebook page and my heart just aches so much more. No word on some of my friends situation and hopefully good news on other friends situations.

Obviously, when the Pastor said we need to pray more he was not kidding. It seems
prayer is needed on every corner and every crevice.

To all whom read this may you have blessings abound.

Wednesday, October 27, 2010

Halloween Aproaching: Ghosts, Books and Expenses

Halloween is approaching and I wonder if the gremlins are at work. When we are at the library we are checking for books and the numbers to be aligned. Over a month ago it was found we had some seriously expensive books not on shelf where they were expected to be.

Tonight we searched, us all three, and again a book that Virginia wanted to check was not in the Genealogy Section, then we learned it was supposedly over in the check out section. NO, NO, and then we learned they could not find it anywhere.

Ghosts and Gremlins, on our nickels and our dimes. I think it is sad that first our hours are limited and the times are moved. O yes, I understand the budget cuts.
I do not understand the humans that think because a book is there it means they can walk away with it. The lunch is not free anymore people. And temporarily borrowing a book that is not to be checked out is not nice. Please return books taken by (accident).

I am wondering how much in revenue is walking out the door with the new gizmo's that log your books out. Sometimes less costs more. We love our library we do not need to have it desecrated in that manner.

Now just to figure out a way to help the library and the funding and salvage what we the citizens have in this great library.

Tuesday, October 26, 2010

Wednesday's Genealogy Event. Chula Vista Library

Hi everyone, I am copying what Randy S had on his meeting notice for all whom may want to come and listen. Since next month it will be 100 years since the Mexican Revolution this should be great timing.
Thanks Randy

Subject: CVGS Meting on Wednesday, 27 October
Date: October 25, 2010 2:58:01 PM PDT
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;

Hi genies,

The October general program meeting of the Chula Vista Genealogical Society will be on Wednesday, 27 October at 12 Noon at the Chula Vista Civic Center Branch Library (365 F Street, Chula Vista) Auditorium.

The speaker will be Alfredo I. Pena on “Exodus: The Reasons for the Massive Immigration from Mexico to the U.S.” He has given two earlier talks about Spanish and Mexican genealogy research in the last two months - this is the third talk in the series.

In this program, Mr. Pena will describe the effects of political events such as the Mexican Revolution and the religious war against the government (Cristeros) that fueled a massive migration from Mexico to the United States.

Alfredo Ignacio Peña was born in 1969 in Los Angeles. He has a degree in Graphic Design and has 25 years of experience with publications and advertising. He has worked with the Ahora-Now, Frontera San Diego, El Informador newspapers and with the PennySaver. Mr. Peña has experience designing publications, editorial design and advertising, and is a member of the San Diego County Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

Mr. Peña has studied his genealogy following a family tradition passed down for several generations and has been able to trace his ancestry all the way back to Charlemagne. In 2003, he joined CorGoMiUri, the family’s group of genealogists. He is a member of the National Genealogical Society, Genealogical Society of the Valley of Mexico, Genealogical Society of Northern Mexico, Society of Hispanic Historical & Ancestral Research, the Association of Professional Genealogists; is moderator for three of those associations; and is working on his lineage papers to join several lineage and hereditary societies. His biography was recently featured in the June issue of the Association of Professional Genealogists Quarterly.

Mr. Peña is the director and founder of Ancestros, Investigaciones Genealógicas (Ancestral and Genealogical Investigations). He was invited by the San Diego Family History Center to collaborate with them and is now helping with the Hispanic/Mexican research and history section the first and fourth Thursday of every month. He is a new member of CVGS.

Guests and visitors are welcome at all CVGS events, which are free to attend at the library. Please enter the Auditorium through the Conference Room door so as to register your attendance, pick up a handout and a program, and have a snack. For more information about this program, or any CVGS program, please contact Barbara at or 619-477-4140.

I hope to see all of you at the meeting!

All the best -- Randy

Sunday, October 24, 2010

Sunday's News Wills and Reasons to have and not have them.

Sunday was Will day at the Library in Chula Vista.
Shirley Becker gave a great presentation on Wills.
Some of it was awesomely funny and very poignant.
I believe she listed 6 reasons for not having a Will and
the joy the government gets from that.
Like we are ready to have the government be in great joy of taking more of
our funds.
The flip side is it is really all true if you do not have a WILL.
She then went on to talk about the knowledge we can learn from looking
at Will's for our genealogical research.
She mentions to always find the original to verify for transcription error.
Ruth H mentioned that a naming error was found in a Will she thought was her
But until she saw the original and seen the name spelt correctly she never was
Wills can be a great source of information on family links and relatives.

Spelling as we know is always a concern for genealogists because there was no
set form for spelling in the 1600 or 1700's and also early 1800's.
Shirley has a document with a name spelled four ways on one page.

She went over the various types of Wills there are: what they mean and what
you can and can not do with a Will.
Chuckling she says a Will is no good unless your DEAD. It can not assist or help
or care for your needs until you die. Ironically, Probate is the same way.

Wills are documents set by the states rules not the federal government.
There are codicil's to Wills. They can have many codicil's as long as written
by the person who wrote the WILL. She mentioned a Will that is four Volumes long.
Now that is one long WILL.
She mentioned that minors can make Wills but are not recognized by the state but
the state and family can take the information into consideration when a death
occurs by said minor.
She mentioned that the wife is not always the mother of the children in a Will.
I can comment that a husband is not always the father of the children in a Will
also. Children do take the stepfathers name and sometimes your not aware that
a change has taken place until you dig deeper. Some times many wives are
represented in a marriage of many children. If lucky you will have only one.
One of my Ancestors had 16 children and she lived to tell about it.
Shirley's talk was full of tidbits and hints. I understand that it will be
due noted on our Society webpage.
Also if your a senior and you are in need of a WILL, the Senior Center can help
you to get the situation resolved. Many asked where to go with out spending
thousands of dollars. We just know that they help seniors to get this resolved.
Norman Park Senior Center on F St. in Chula Vista, CA.
So if you are near a senior center in your area you may check with them for
information also. I also think you can call the Bar Association for the county
you are in and get some good advice also.
Shirley we enjoyed the talk and sorry more people did not attend.
We also enjoyed our guest for the event very much. Wondering if he ever got his

Saturday, October 23, 2010

Saturday, is another Chatter Day John Scott Family

Chatter Day on Saturday
I am going to just ramble around on many things I think.
Having not had much time to just expound on things I think it is about time.

First, having received a note from a distant SCOTT cousin that was a happy dance
Here is some of what she said.

Saw your post on Ancestry, but it goes back to Dec 6, 1999.

Dallas E. Scott, son of John and Rebecca, was my g grand father. He married,
Eliza Helen Van Cleave, daughter of Hiram and Mary N. (?) possibly Carter, on June 28, 1868.
Eliza was born Jan 1,1849 Iowa
d. July 2, 1921 (72 yr) Ottumwa, Iowa at Shaul Cemetery.
Dallas was born in 1846 in Iowa (Brother to your Cornelius Franklin)
They had 4 daughters
1) Minnie Bell Scott b. March 9, 1880 Grant City, Mo (my grandmother)
d. April 14, 1955 Cedar Rapids, Iowa (buried at Shaul Cemetery, Ottumwa, Iowa
md. (May 2, 1907) John Ira LaBelle b. June 15, 1880 Ottumwa, Iowa
d. Feb 21, 1952 Cedar Rapids, Iowa
buried at Shaul Cemetery, Ottumwa, Iowa

2) Mary E. (Ella) Scott b. 1871 - 1925 md unknown Giles. Buried at Shaul Cemetery, Ottumwa, Iowa.

3) Rebecca A. (Annie/Anna) 1872 - d. May 25,1953 (81) md (Dec 9, 1891) Otis E. Harrow 1871-1929 Both at Shaul Cemetery in Ottumwa, Iowa

4) Inez M 1883 - d. April 8,1957 md Charles Toole (1881 - 1945) Both at Shaul Cemetery, Ottumwa, Iowa.

For the 1880 US Federal Census, Dallas, Eliza, Mary E, Rebecca A and Minnie B. were living in Fletchall, Worth, Missouri.

I was told by my cousin, that Dallas had up and left his family. 1900 US Fed census he was still listed as married. 1910 listed in Ringgold Co., Iowa single also for 1920 in Ringgold (mother and father, Cornelius F, Druscilla, James & Harriet are in Ringgold and on find-a- grave). I don't know where Dallas went to, or buried.

If you have any info on Dallas, I would greatly appreciate it.

I just started attacking the Scott lineage. With them having 4 girls, it sure doesn't go very far!! LOL

Hope to hear from you.


So we are looking for where Dallas Scott died and is buried and if there is any more kin out there we are not aware of.

Thursday, October 21, 2010

Wednesday's Wisdom carries over into Thursday's Chatter

Thursday's threads of chatter are left over from Wednesdays evening of profound wisdom, deep thought, shared concepts, tweaked ideas and a National Geographic Map.

National Geographic was a source topic for part of yesterday evening. We are human's or so we are told. Human's have always appeared to have hunted, gathered and followed the herds. So why not take what the NGS had put into play and say that the two legged animal followed the four legged animal and moved around following the trails. Clayton, I found that a very interesting idea. Thanks for the thought.

I found this concept presented to be very interesting in thought. We know birds migrate south in the winter and there must be a smatter of truth to the fact that various free species of animals migrate around the lands they maintain. Goats are high on the mountains and low on the mountains depending on the time of the year, the same for most of those critters. We have learned bears literally crawl in a hole or cave and stay down til spring. Geologists are finding more various places
where our species has been and earlier than thought of before.

To read a city is built upon a city is saying why? There was so much ground to use, why on top of the old. Was it to cover and hide? It could not have been structural safe.

So to do genealogy how much should we learn, how much should we know? Where is the
defining line of what lineage you are? I am hunting for an early European map that listed early lineages on it. For they would be the basis for the peoples of those places now even if some migrated on to other areas and became other beings.

After looking deeper at early Europe I want to study more on the continent of Africa.

Any one else interested?

Read my blog Ancestors Seekers for more data.

Thursday, October 14, 2010

Great News for New York Researchers that are near

Great News for New York Researchers.

I just received this note from Dick Hillenbrand regarding the
New York State Library and it's hours.
He posted a url to check out the new hours for research.
They will be open on SATURDAY's.

I only wish I was close enough to enjoy it.
Thanks Dick.

The New York State Library will be open Saturdays.

Read about it here:

Dick Hillenbrand
Upstate New York Genealogy
Schoharie County GenWeb page is located at

Wednesday, October 13, 2010

Wonders never cease, Genealogy bound Wednesday

Today is a Genealogy Bound day for myself and friend. At the research meeting it seemed that many had a happy moon smiling on them. Karen found three boxes of goodies, Shirley organized her data and may have found more clues, Jaye was the recipient of great information from Ruth and her journey to Kansas.

We had new faces and passed out 3 more applications and one asked for a Beginner's packet having recently joined the society.

We upgraded our Beginner's Packet. We took out two pages and added different ones that are more consistent with what a beginner needs to learn to work with to make their research easier to follow and keep track of.

We upgraded our Library packet, with data on what is where, to find in our local library and help in your research. Many are not aware that a Genealogy Library in a
library does not hurt your research. One needs to look at the Reference section of one's library to learn of the "Who's Who books of many topics, the Encyclopedia's, the newspapers, the phone directories, Gazateers, Maps, videos, history section of the library, country areas of the library, etc.

It would probably take months to ingest the data in your own local library that can be an asset to your research.

I spent 18 months in 1960-61 combing the Petaluma Library in Petaluma, Ca and I read almost every history book they had from A - Z. I also read many other books relating to time periods of history from ancient to current. A background in
the history of the country, county, state, or region is a big help in research.

Today it was brought up that old maps are also critical in research in earlier time period. In the USA as well as other countries boundaries were changing as the country was developed. One could live in a house and never move and have lived in as many as four different counties.

So enough chatter about some of what I witnessed today and off to the library to scour another half dozen books for some clues.

Monday, October 11, 2010

Monday, Again, How can that be? Ahhh It is Genealogy

Monday Again, Ahh it is Genealogy Day. How can that be you say? A Federal holiday makes it that way. No school for the grandson, no work for the adults. At least most of the adults are off this day.

Traffic was light on the way to Balboa Hospital at 6 am. We were home by 8:30 and had breakfast out. Good news is neighbor is getting better. Our family is fine.

Awaiting word from a traveling family member, I suspect is still asleep. So I can set here and get caught up on the notices to be sent and to check a few spots for a buddy genealogist acquaintance.

Will it drive me into Madness, no, but frustration yes. Cemeteries have listed parts of themselves but not other parts. Almost like a backwards event.

Now I have researched New York for several years and the confusion never ceases to amaze me but to find it relates all the way into cemetery records, rather fascinates me by they way New York may be thinking. No put down since I have much kin that migrated from New York. Aha, maybe that is why they migrated.

So I am going to hunt for a Random Acts of Kindness person in of all places NYC.
I gather economy is worse than worse there since they(cemetery) will charge me to answer a basic question on the phone on the information of a plot we already knows exist. Already checked the cemetery's web page for data.

My my is not genealogy fun on a Monday.

Monday, October 4, 2010

Seminar's Serendipity Event

Serendipity Event at our Seminar

Just wanted Hank JONES to know that Serendipity is still alive and well at our society. Of course, I am sharing this with everyone. I just love when these events happen.

Saturday morning as we were hastily setting up for the start of our seminar. A member accidentally spilled the creamer for the coffee. Another member promptly went to get a replacement for it, Thank You.

Blessed we were because they purchased extra creamer for the event, which in all respects was a true plus. By the end of day the creamers were all gone so we would have been way, way short of creamer if this had not happened early when it did.

Normally I take the extra creamer home so this was a real surprise and it made an
incident into a major plus.

Thanks to all whom helped and participated and shared in the chores and event.
We came out on top with some supplies for surplus for Christmas time and our other monthly meetings. Did I say Christmas, my my I do believe it is Pumpkin and goblin time and then comes Turkey and then the Tree. Wowee, where did the year go?

It is drizzling out side again second time in a week, how could we be so lucky.

Tuesday, September 28, 2010

Tuesdays Count Down, Wednesday's Meeting Paula Sassi - Handwriting

Tuesdays Count Down, Wednesday's Meeting Paula Sassi, Handwriting Expert

I do think this will be a super fun event. I dug into my old saved cards and got some hand writing pieces of my ancestors for her to look at. We even found one for Mary to use.

This event takes place at about 12:15 at the Chula Vista Civic Center Library on F St. in Chula Vista, CA.

Ah yes, I remembered the refreshments to check and have the data pulled for the seminar on Saturday.

The best part is Mary is here to enjoy it with us.

Sad news,our grandsons father was in critical accident is in ICU. Prayers Requested.

Tuesday, September 21, 2010

New Topics new fun in Blogging

The world keeps us busy but others keep our minds sharp. Some new adventures are being tried in the blogging world. Seems people wanted to change the thoughts for topics and wow do we have them.
New Topics: MAPPY MONDAY, Now that sounds like fun. Map hunting and sharing.

MARITIME MONDAY, Well that is pretty self explanatory. Ocean going
MILITARY MONDAY, Our family,our ancestors,our defenders of all.

MOBILE MONDAY, For the hi tech is the best I am going to say.

MOTIVATIONAL MONDAY, goal related activities planned by us to succeed.

MYSTERY MONDAY, says related to Monday Madness which was our
current them, but more of a mysterious air about the
MONDAY MADNESS, the one we are familiar with.

Lots of topics now to choose from.

Sunday, September 19, 2010


Sunday's Madness

Themes abound they are all around.

Yes, was awake and read the message from Thomas and went wow, I was seeing
more choices, this may end up being fun after all.
Black Sheep I have some, LOL I am one.
Church Records yes I have them and some churches share nicely.
Sentimental Sunday, in many ways every Sunday is Sentimental.
Supper on Sunday, yes I have eaten many of them and shared them with family.
Sunday Obituaries, yes Sad to say I have some of them too. I doubt there is a
genealogist around that doesn't have some of all of these topics.

Oh, as I ponder what to write about, the feeling I gather is we will do a Sunday
Supper, which was more often after noon event.

Sunday's were a day we set aside to have time for family. We were so blessed that
some of Dad's family and later years some of Mom's family moved near us.

We lived on my Aunt's ranch with her husband when we first came to California.
We shared many a weekend meal, mostly on Sunday's. Though Uncle would move it
to Saturday's sometimes because hired hand would have Sunday off. He hated to
take a break and do this but he so enjoyed it when it happened. Years later I
asked him why it was so hard to stop and visit and he said he never really knew
why because he really enjoyed the time spent with family. We always enjoyed the
time they spent with us also.

When I was older I would go chat with him and my Aunt and remind him he had told
me he enjoyed the sharing and it was time to do it again. It was really great to
do in the spring because of the birthday line up in MAY.
We celebrated Aunt Ruth's (Mom's baby sister) Dad (Ray D JONES SR), and Uncle
Comillo's (Dad's sister Etta's husband) birthday all together. They were one day after the other in May.

It was almost always with chocolate cake, loved by all of them and fresh strawberries and Whipped Cream. The meal was varied over the years from fried chicken, roasts, to a few B-B-Que's (later years). Lots depended on the weather at that spring time of year. Ir raining there was more chores regarding the animals.

We moved a couple of times and finally had our own home and later when I was older this is what I remember the most. I was 8 when we bought the ranch. I was 14 when I did this.

I remember when Mom finally gave me the chore of making the chocolate cake.
Yes, it was the one on the back of the Hershey's Cocoa can. I was delighted it did
not fall and get soggy in the middle as so many of mine did then. But we had
just switched to a electric oven stove. So we did not have to watch and adjust the
wood burning to make the cake come out right. Biscuits I could do in the wood
burning stove without a hitch. I had been making them since about 9 or 10 years

The soggy cakes always called for home made pudding to go over the cake.
Dad actually got so he would say. No soggy cake no pudding, I think it was the birth of the pudding cake and there must of many households suffering the same. I actually know how to make a cake soggy today. Talk about a reverse.

But I remember these times and the great interaction between the families and the fun that was had. I think it is one of the most profound things I miss in today's world. It seems families and friends so seldom set time aside for family and friends.

We were always excited for a birthday of an adult because it meant we would gather together. It was like they knew that time was passing and they were all they had with each other. Our families were almost all in Wyoming and Iowa.

Which meant trips to visit which will be another story some day.

Saturday, September 18, 2010

Adventures of the Day, Genealogy and Computer Knowledge

Genealogy and Computer Knowledge Day

After a short night of sleep, bed finally showed up at 2 a m, I arose at 7 and made it to Shirley's by 8 am.
We went to the Computer meeting at the University. Donna Ritchie did a great job explaining some features that are within the Reunion program and some are now different than before last upgrade. Thanks Donna.
We then hurried back across north area to CRYWOLF on Clairemont Mesa attend a couple more learning events about the MacIntosh Computers. Two separate topics and well presented and a break in between.
It was one of the more educational days I have enjoyed in quite some time. Thanks to all that created and presented them. Kevin the presentations are excellent and so helpful.
Home then to take daughters shopping. That was interesting event. To many changes in stores to make the experience fun.

Then finally home to scan today's mail and finalize some more information for our big event in 2 weeks. Confirmations are going out as I speak.

Chula Vista Genealogical Society is having a Seminar to celebrate Family History Month, on 2 October 2010 at 8:30 doors open and 4:30 we close them.
Where Do We Go From Here? is being presented at the Norman Park Senior Center
in Chula Vista on F St. Catered lunch, information tables and 3 speakers will make this a very fun and informative day.

You can not miss with Jean Wilcox HIBBEN and Alfredo Pena presenting their information on some very exciting topics for the times. Jean will talk of
many great advances we can do from paper and pencil to computers, camera's and scanners. Just for some of the fun. She has other topics to present also.
Alfredo will be talking about Mexico and the time period between 1600 to 1900 and
the research in that time frame.

Do come join us and have a great time meeting others and learning more to
share with your family in time.
There is a cost of $25 for the event. Please mail by 20 September because it is a catered lunch and the fee will go up $30 for late entrees due to the catering.
We have had bag lunch before so we are sure you can understand the need if numbers change late. They can be done, just post mark it by 20 September 21 September.

Learn about graveyards, learn about Conquistadors, learn some new things about the community and have fun.

Monday, September 13, 2010

The Conquest of Mexico: Finding Your Ancestor Among the Conquistadors

Mr. Alfredo Pena, did a presentation on," The Conquest of Mexico: Finding Your Ancestor Among the Conquistadors", Saturday at the Bonita Library in Bonita, Ca.
We learned some very interesting things about Hispanic research.

1. Spanish Archives are free for research. That is a huge plus.

2. Church records are pretty stable for research results.

3. The time line of your research will determine, as with any place,
what type of information you may find.

4. Interesting is how the church records record 4 generations of family on
an event.

5. Their records are more linearal conscious of family lines.

6. Many of the conquistadors were inter related to each other.

7. Mr. Pena could show lineage to five of the soldiers.

8. He also explained the confused naming pattern that is non consistant
throughout the lineages. MONEY TALKED

9. It appears that if you were wealthier than the spouse your name went forward,
if you were less wealthy the spouse name went forward.

10. He had a super great chart printed out and the naming patterns shown
about 7 or 10 generations and the signs for the names moving around.

11. My thoughts were if you could find data in Spain's archives you would be
able to muddle through the transitions.

12. We worry about the misspelling of a name and they completely change the names.

We had 5 guests and 9 members attend this talk. It dealt with pre 1600 time line
dominately and then how the records changed coming to the 1900th century.

Members from the audience asked some great questions so we could better understand some of the confused system used by the Spaniards.

So looking forward to the next step in this process.

Monday's are meant to be Fun Days.

Monday's are meant to be Fun Days. No sense looking at this day as a non fun

Monday means the beginning of things. We wake up we are still breathing. The
sun is actually shining and the fog is folded in around our edges.

I see the birds are arguing over the crumbs I fed them and the hummingbirds
are at their normal routine. It seems we have two types of these birds. One is
green bodied and sleek the other one is heavier and a odd shade of grey. My
bird card for the county does not show the one.

We get to see Jays, sparrows, bluebirds, and about three varieties I have not
yet identified. They do not seem to set long enough. The one with the white
edging on the wings and body is very unique. It even has a long thinner beak
much like the hummingbirds.

I needed that after the trip on the freeway this morning. Now to contact
a couple more libraries and senior centers.

In need of promoting our FAMILY HISTORY FAIR SEMINAR 2 OCTOBER 9 TO 4:30

Had a super phone call from a grandson whom is back to work and getting back
on track after a lay off for a few weeks.

Plan on cookies for Wounded Warriors tomorrow. May get away to the Rock Club
tonight wouldn't that be fun.

Midge wrote a neat event of for her family. I enjoyed it. It is always wonderful
when split families remain families instead of become outlaws. It I think
makes a more rounded child of the family to see them work to resolve instead of
condemn and create hate.

Being blessed with my husband of 51 years my family is not split but my child
rens & siblings familes both are so fractured I have lost touch with some of
them for a long time only recently relinking. Hurray for Facebook.

Savour the day, enjoy the minutes, once gone can not get them back. Thinking
of friend whom is traveling with her father and his wife. Hope her journey is
joyful and fun and so full of information for her.

Saturday, September 4, 2010

Jean Wilcox Hibben- PhD,MA.CG biography

Our Seminar Keynote and additional Talks Speaker
She can make you laugh until you cry and get the information to you in such a marvelous dialogue you definitely do not want to miss her talks.

PROFILE, July 2010

A Board Certified genealogist, Jean Wilcox Hibben has been involved in family research for over 30 years. She is a member of the National Genealogical Society (NGS), the Genealogical Speakers Guild (where she serves as secretary), various societies in the areas where she does research, the Association of Professional Genealogists (serving as president of the Southern California Chapter), and the Corona Genealogical Society (where she serves as president). She is also the Membership and Meeting Coordinator for the Riverside Folk Song Society. Jean maintains a website with information about her presentations, CDs, projects, etc.:
Jean is a volunteer at the Corona California Family History Center where she trains Family History consultants and is also the genealogy instructor for the Soboba Band of the Luiseño Tribe of California Mission Indians. A native of the Chicago suburbs, she moved to Southern California in 1973 and obtained her bachelors and masters degrees in Speech Communication. She worked as a professor in the field for 13 years before leaving academia to pursue her passions, family history and folklore, and holds a doctorate in the latter. Jean is a national speaker in both areas and is known for her entertaining, as well as informative, presentations. She is a bi-monthly contributor to the on-line magazine, GenWeekly, and a frequent writer for other genealogy publications.
Jean has been playing guitar for over 40 years, learning a variety of other folk instruments along the way. She sees a connection between family history and music because, in learning about our forebears, we try to piece together the various elements of our ancestors' lives in an effort to create a complete (or as complete as possible) picture of who they were in their homes, families, occupations, religions, and activities. Their musical interests/involvement should be considered part of this whole picture, or circle, of their lives and that is the primary focus of her blog:
For 25 years, Jean worked as a square dance caller with her husband, “Uncle Butch” Hibben; they live in the Lake Mathews area of Western Riverside County, California and have 4 children, 24 grandchildren, and 9 great-grandchildren. Jean’s philosophy is that “who we are is a compilation of our experiences and associations as well as our biological connections. When we understand our ancestors we can better understand ourselves. By doing this, we can complete our personal family circles.” This connects to her mission statement: “My goal is to assist others in their efforts to connect generations (past to present), completing the family circle.”

Printed with her permission

Alfredo Pena's Biography

Alfredo I. Peña

Alfredo Ignacio Peña was born January 31, 1969 in Los Angeles,
California. He has a degree in Graphic Design and has 25 years of
experience with publications and advertising. He has worked with the
Ahora-Now Newspaper, Frontera San Diego Newspaper, El Informador
Newspaper and with the PennySaver. Also, with the 107.7 FM radio
station taking pictures of their events. He has experience designing
publications, editorial design and advertising. Also reporting,
photographer, covering events, and writing articles of interest for
the newspaper. Also as an editor and public relations and promotions
assistant. And is also a member of the San Diego County Hispanic
Chamber of Commerce. This experience has led him to start The Martel
Group Advertising, an advertising agency.

Since 1986, Alfredo started to study his genealogy following a family
tradition passed down for several generations and has been able to
trace his ancestry all the way to Charlemagne. In 2003 joined
CorGoMiUri, the family’s group of genealogists. He is also a member of
the National Genealogical Society, Genealogical Society of the Valley
of Mexico, Genealogical Society of Northern Mexico, Society of
Hispanic Historical & Ancestral Research, the Association of
Professional Genealogists, the Plazola Family page, is moderator for
three of those associations and is working on his lineage papers to
join several lineage and hereditary societies. His biography was
recently featured in the June publication of the Association of
Professional Genealogists. He's the director and founder of Ancestros,
Investigaciones Genealógicas (genealogical investigations). He was
invited by the San Diego Family History Center to collaborate with
them and is now helping with the Hispanic/Mexican research and history
section the first and fourth Thursday of every month.

Alfredo has written several articles on genealogy that have been
published on-line. He is currently working along with two cousins on a
book about families from the state of Jalisco and is scheduled to be
published next year. There's another book he's writing by himself and
is programmed to be published this summer.

Alfredo is married and the father of three children.

Printed with his permission.

The Conquest of Mexico: Finding Your Ancestor Among the Conquistadors

Alfredo Pena, presenting at the Bonita Library 11 September
1-3 PM -- Bonita Library Conference Room

"The Conquest of Mexico: Finding Your Ancestor Among the Conquistadors."
Description: "Myths and realities about the conquistadors; some of the
families that descend from the them and what sources can be used to
find a link to one or several of the conquistadors".

We look forward to Mr. Pena's enlightening talk on the information that he
is sharing with us regarding the events that led up to and transpired
during the Conquest of Mexico.

This is also to inform you that this is going to be a three part series learning
the information on the development of Mexico and it's impact for the genealogy

Mr. Pena has given talks at the Latter Day Saints Library in Mission Valley and
is well known in the Hispanic community.

The second talk he is presenting is part of our Seminar at the Norman Park
Senior Center, 2 October, Chula Vista CA. "
Coming to the New World after the Conquest 1600-1900. 2:30 pm to 3:30 pm

The third part will be presented at our general meeting on a Wednesday 27
October, Chula Vista Library in the Auditorium. 12:15 to 2:30 P M
"Exodus: The Reasons for the Massive Immigration from Mexico to the US."

Thursday, September 2, 2010

September Events for Chula Vista Genealogical Society

September Events for Chula Vista Genealogical Society





CONQUISTADORS 11 September 1:00 PM TO 3:00 PM


COMPUTER GROUP 15 September 11:30 AM to 1:30PM COMPUTER LAB


GENERAL MEETING 29 September 12:00 PM to 2:30 PM AUDITORIUM







contact: Virginia Taylor at for reservations or the Society

Tuesday, August 31, 2010

Genealogy Compliments to Kathy Manuel

It may be Tombstone Tuesday but this morning I got this neat note in from one of our members and she said I could share it with you all. Kathy has been working on her genealogy for quite some time with some success and some brick walls. This morning she shares she is preparing for a trip to do a reunion. This is what she said with dates blanked out.

Hi Susi - I'm not going to be able to make it to the Lemon Grove
meetings this month. I'm working diligently on my family tree in prep
for the family reunion in Arkansas on XXXXXXXXXX. I've found a lot of
info and working at verifying the validity of it all. Even my sons,
daughters-in-law and grandkids are enjoying this - how
wonderful to know that interest in this continues down the line.

One daughter-in-law smiled as she told me "I can't be bothered with
the live people issues right now - I have dead people to look up!".

Have a great month!


I think the daughter - in - law's comments are absolutely awesome. I hope you all agree.
She has also signed up for the seminar and I am going to ask her if her daughter - in- law may want to come.

Monday, August 30, 2010

Sept 11 event Bonita Library Bonita, CA Alfredo Pena

Come Join Us At These Events

Guest Speaker: Alfredo Pena, head genealogist,

Sept 11, 1-3 PM -- Bonita Library Conference Room, Bonita Rd.

"The Conquest of Mexico: Finding Your Ancestor Among the Conquistadors."
Description: "Myths and realities about the conquistadors; some of the families that descend from the them and what sources can be used to find a link to one or several of the conquistadors".

Oct 2, 2:30 - 3:30 PM -- Norman Park Senior Center, 270 F St. Chula Vista,

"Coming to the New World After the Conquest 1600-1900"
Description: "Not everybody arrived to the New World at the same time with the conquistadors. Some of the Spanish families went to Mexico after the conquest. Find out what are some of the books and other sources that can be used to find them."

Oct 27, 12:15 to 2:30 -- Chula Vista Library 4th and F St. Chula Vista

"Exodus: The Reasons for the Massive Immigration from Mexico to the U.S."
Description: "Political and economic events such as the Mexican
Revolution and the religious war against the government (Cristeros)
fueled a massive immigration from Mexico to the U.S."

Saturday, August 28, 2010

A Name to Ponder, PENTICUFF

A Name to Ponder, Penticuff

Well, the Ydna is back, the story it tells is one of greater mystery than the lack of the
I spoke with Mary last night. It was her birthday. I gave her the interesting news.

We match with PENTICUFF in Kentucky in 1860. Now that is not a surprise because at one
time JOHN PENTICO was known as JOHN PENTICOFF or PENTICUFF. But he is first found in Jersey s
Shores, PA. 1830 census records. It states he is born in PA and so were, the then living
children and wife.

Now we have found her lineage back to Germany fairly early via her Great grandparents, to PA.
Yes it is documented very well. Thanks to books, documents and church and ship registers and
the Church in Germany.

But what I did not expect and I am sure non of the family expected was the lineage back ground
of the name, regionally.

I would love for others with the Pentico- Penticoff- Penticuff- Penticost-Benninghoff etc
spelling to contact me about potential YDNA tests to resolve this new development.
I would also love to learn the lineages of your surnames as back as far as you can go?

It has also been mentioned it may have been Pendegast. ?? What an interesting results we did

Friday, August 27, 2010

Blogs to Follow, Blogs to Share


Oh what blog do we want to follow and oh, what blog do we want to share?

It seems that genealogists everywhere have thoughts and ideas on this topic.

Do I have favorites yes, do my favorites change from time to time absolutely.

There are so many blogs coming on line steady it is hard to keep up with the new

thoughts and concepts.

So I said,"what type of blogs do I really enjoy?" I like informational, family and
technical blogs(now do not get over my head).

Maybe it comes from I like to read. I try to do a book every three days just to
keep the brain working.

My newest find was this blog.

One I always enjoy but do not visit enough is

Areas we all neglect it seems is state library blogs and sites.

The state of Virginia has some of the best.

Thursday, August 26, 2010

Treasures found on Thursday

Treasures Found on Thursday

Today I received a call from my cousin in WYO whom was on her way to Idaho. She said the
weather was awesome and has been most of summer. Envy here :>)

Seems her granddaughter now 26 has need of some family history information. I have not had
the pleasure of meeting her I think. But I do know her mother.

I shared with her the pictures that my MOM had found as negatives and we had developed last
fall. I will be sending her some copies. I also pointed her to this blog where some of them
are already posted.

Tonight Mom called and she has done it again she found a picture of my Dad prior to her
marriage to him with her little sister peaking out the screen door. I am glad her eye sight
is well enough she can see them and identify. At times she can not see well at all.

So I treasure my family connections and the data that we have all shared with each other
and other family members.

Tuesday, August 24, 2010

An Ode of English Plurals by???

An Ode of English Plurals

We'll begin with a box, and the plural is boxes,
But the plural of ox becomes oxen, not oxes.

One fowl is a goose, but two are called geese,
Yet the plural of moose should never be meese.

You may find a lone mouse or a nest full of mice,
Yet the plural of house is houses, not hice.

If the plural of man is always called men,
Why shouldn't the plural of pan be called pen?

If I speak of my foot and show you my feet,
And I give you a boot, would a pair be called beet?

If one is a tooth and a whole set are teeth,
Why shouldn't the plural of booth be called beeth?

Then one may be that, and three would be those,
Yet hat in the plural would never be hose,

And the plural of cat is cats, not cose.
We speak of a brother and also of brethren,

But though we say mother, we never say methren.
Then the masculine pronouns are he, his and him,

But imagine the feminine: she, shis and shim! !

Since we write so much when we blog I thought I would post this from Cousin Nancy. Someone really figured it out.

Monday, August 23, 2010

Monday's Madness beginning to Calm Sourcing and other items

Monday's Madness beginning to Calm Sourcing and other items

Hurray we had a great meeting and are able to move forward with the more ease. It seems now it is a waiting game for reply to letters and ideas presented to others.

We spent about 30 minutes talking about the Talk on 5 Generation Charts and other forms that was presented by Ruth Himan on Saturday. Comparing the two talks she has given both were great.

We all agreed we liked the way she explained and worked through the sourcing on the charts.
Sometimes it is the hands, on in person, up front approach, that works best. One is still having trouble making her chart off her FTM program.

Sometimes what sounds easy is not and when shown it is really simple. So after chart discussions we got down to business and covered 10 events for the Seminar. As stated before much now is waiting game.

We set the date for the taste testing of food for the seminar. Olive brought some bulletin's she had made and they looked great. She and Janice last week did up another group for us to choose for another activity at the seminar.

Gary and Barbara we missed you but hope to see you at the picnic.

I found my old Reunion program this morning and printed off my charts since the sourcing didn't follow over the information. And I need to bring John Scott's data into the line again
since it is well documented now. Yup, all the way back to about 1730 in Virginia.

Saturday, August 21, 2010

Genealogy Busy Day

Attended meeting this A M across town, came back and attended the workshop event for 5 Generation Charts at the Library. Ruth had 9 people attend this meeting plus myself. It was loaded with many interesting questions and comments. The time flew fast and everyone learned more about charts, data and how to fill them out more efficiently. How to reference them to other areas in your research. Also how to find them in other areas of your research.

She stresses the daily journal and the logging of your genealogy research. She did a marvelous job since we had no way to use the projector. She did it all on a the chalk board. The need for more workshops was made very apparent by this group. I was glad Shirley was there to hear the comments on the things they need to learn in Computer classes. I am sure she will be busy with the topics for some time.

Most everyone was looking forward to the picnic and the use of their charts.

Wednesday, August 18, 2010

Rewriting of a Members Survey Comments welcome

Survey Members 2010 a work in progress by the LG group at a two hour meeting.

1. How many years have you been pursuing genealogy research?
2. How many years have you been a member of a Society? Ours?
3. How often do you do research work? Daily, weekly, monthly
4. What started you on the path of genealogy?

5. What areas of the USA do you have ancestry? Have you been to these areas
doing research?
6. In what other countries do you have ancestry? Have you been to them for research?
7. Have you done research at any of the counties/city libraries or Family History Center’s ?
8. What type of computer system do you use? Genealogy software?
9. How are your Internet skills for research?
10. Have you posted your research on the Internet or a family shared site?
11. What Free or Paid sites do you use?
12. How often do you go to the CVGS web site? Do you read the newsletter?
13. Do you read the CV Genealogy Cafe Blog?
14. Have you posted messages to Rootsweb/Ancestry, Genforum boards or lists?
15. What Genealogical magazines do you read?
16. What are your Genealogy Goals?

Most of the items were combined some were felt not pertinent by these 11 members

It was felt we should add what are your goals? How often do you site your Sources?
And a Interesting comment was, “What branch of my tree should I prune?”
It was felt that 15 should say read not subscribe to magazines :>)

It brought many a chuckle because they were very behind in the reading department.
We also changed some questions to be broader than before.
Most of these questions conform to the questions I was hoping to ask at the Seminar but not
I felt asking about goals was a vital one we missed.

You can see that it leaves space for more questions I already added what are your Genealogy Goals. Ann , what where your topics?

Anyone out there got other good questions that we should maybe ask our members?

Answer here or email me at

Tuesday, August 17, 2010

News in from Nancy Eshelman -- Pennsylvania State Archives

Nancy Eshelman writes for The Patriot News,

This article is about the help the Archives need to continue to preserve our HIstory.

Monday, August 16, 2010

Monday's Madness is not so Mad

This morning my computer stayed on longer than of late. Why is that so interesting? Well, I can not read others blog posts and garner knowledge when it stops after about 30 minutes of being on line. Yes, I am returning it to the store tomorrow as things stand. But that is not the reason for the comments.

I was able to glide through many blog postings I have not had a chance to do in almost 3 weeks. I was thrilled with all the new thoughts, comments and concepts being posted out in the world of blogging.

Thomas M I found a great little post by you for beginning bloggers and we need that for our group to learn how to blog and so well stated. It flipped a bit fast but hopefully when I present this little site to our computer instructor they can resolve that issue and teach the group how to blog.

I read the tribute to Terry Thorton, read my Fence friends recent notes, Myrtles and Maven's and so many others I like to read through for learning where we are on our pages of life in genealogy and blogging.

I read on Facebook comments a while back about whether the Graveyard Rabbit program will continue. I did not find an answer to that question as I scurried about the system.

Arrgh I died again. But Grandson bringing his car to show us this am so computer store tomorrow.

Saturday, August 14, 2010

Ruth's Chat on Charts and Forms

We had a nice small turnout and one new guest. We all learned something we probably had forgotten or never thought of it that way.

Ruth's witty charm and knowledge shown through the silly computer that was not cooperating. Finally she found what she was in need of but had covered it nicely with out the pictures.

It is amazing to me how we can fill our charts and forms and know what they are for but not really think about them as tools to
find the missing link.

She stated that a journal daily is a must to help you in research. It can be used like a diary in format. That journal is a form of sourcing your information. She said you write : called Aunt Helen showed number and about a specific letter. It receives a sourcing number for locating when doing further search.

She did present a chart I have never seen before I found it extremely informative and have to agree with Gary's comment adding that one more item to it makes it a very awesome chart. Resource Tracking Chart.

She talked about how when you fill in the blanks the empty spaces are the brick walls but the data between is your clues.
She spoke of how a census said living in a certain time frame as husband and wife, then the next time frame a widow remains.
This tells you (yes, I knew this) that he had passed. What it also tells you is the time frame of his passing.

She used many examples of the way she uses her charts, from a 4 generation to a 15 generation chart. She talked of her love of using a circle chart and showed us why she felt it was easier to use and understand for research. One the blank spaces pop out, two the relationship shows quicker within system when more than one family member marries another family member. This being if two sisters married in generation 7 and then in your generation 3 you learn that these missing women are siblings.

There was a chart presented that was color coded. The reason behind this chart was to show migration pattern of the families.
It was a five generation type chart. But in flow format and color coded to each surname and region.

I fell in love with the Resource Tracking chart she uses. That is so different from anything I have ever seen.

She talked about Family Group sheets showing family history. The knowledge of collateral lines can be pertinent when you run into a brick wall. She stated: Validation of Data Search, Collaboration with "cousins", Quick Reference Sheet. are the reasons for using this chart.

She talked about the numbering system on a 5 or 4 generation chart. There are 8 more charts needed if you fill out the full 5 Generation Chart form. Each male surname needs a separate chart. The males are always even numbers and the females are odd numbers.

The oddities in families brings the need to address the cousins marrying cousins, Uncles marrying niece, towns and counties that change names use of different charts and how the more effectively handle those situations.

She also addressed a Census Summary Data Chart. She talked about the results you can get from using this method for tracking females, narrowing of birth and death dates, members in family and migration of same.

She helped show some tips for the use of these charts at our picnic.

So come to the picnic or attend her next talk next week and learn all of this directly.

Stay tuned for it is hoped another topic brought up will be spread out before us by her in the not to far distant future.
Some of these charts she mastered doing her Grandma Camp but it was a really fun informative event.
More on that one chart at a later date. Stay tuned for more chatting.

Thanks are Sent to All who Helped

Greetings everyone, I can finally get a chance to thank you all for the participation in my Mother's Birthday Card party for her 90th birthday. O yes, it was the end of June but she was not able to chat with me about what she had received until very recently.

Mareen she was really thrilled to get that packet from the school children. She says they are hanging on the back of her
refrigerator. IT is a built in and back side like a bulletin board.

She goes through the cards people sent and thankfully many put whom they were on the cards so she knew if they were a Scott Cousin, Hoffman Cousin, Plants Cousin or friend of family etc.

She received one from a cousin she had not had contact with since she was young and and she was crying telling me how excited she was to read a note from him and his wife. She told me about her visit to see him one time when someone was ill.
Her Mothers's side of family ie Scott. Many cards brought back great memories.

She also ended up with a small reception of family (immediate) and close friends for about 3 hours. She says she wasn't able to speak to everyone because there seemed so many came. I bet she told them HI but didn't get to chat. She loves to chat. You just have to get her started. She is a wee quiet unless she knows you.

I really got my chatting from my Father he was always warm, friendly and caring in the community.

Friday, August 13, 2010

5 Generation Charts and other Forms, join Ruth

Ruth Himan will be doing a presentation on charts and forms zeroing in on the 5 Generation Charts for the Picnic and to have peoples registration completed within the society.

Come join Ruth Himan and learn more than you knew. She is fun and refreshing in presentations.

TIME 1:30 to 4:00 P M Bonita Library 4375 Bonita Rd. Bonita, CA 14 August.

Remember the picnic is at the Elks Lodge 25 August 2010,----- 10:30 to 3 P M

Follow Friday mmm I know who :>)

Yup it is Follow Friday and I am going to mention Ruth Himan's new blog. Non Genealogical sorta, metaphorical, tidbits on observation of life. Reflective yes. Might I get to know her better probably.

Here it is everyone .

Thursday, August 12, 2010

Susi's Chat Seminar Followup, etc

Today I will be delivering the Scholarship papers and the request for student assistance to the High School, for the Family History Fair in October.

Last night there is a chance Virginia found her lost Robert D. It sure gave some good leads.

For those who do not come share time at the library your missing a great time to do research, have personalized assistance and
getting to know your fellow genealogists.

I also learned sad news regarding a family member whose job has been put on hold. He just started house payments so this is going to really hurt. Hopefully something good comes from this.

This morning I fed the birds and watched them gather and eat. I found three new species in the pack. Now to determine what they are. The birds are expanding in species as we feed and watch them eat and play. I also took a picture of one of my cactus which had a double bloom on it. Pulled weeds and adjusted plants and enjoyed the quiet time of the yard.

Yesterday I parked next to some Lantana that had grown into shrub shapes and I watched and photographed a group of birds eating and playing or yes it was their singing or chirping that made me aware of them. They were not 2 feet from my car window. I did not realize Lantana could grow up off the ground and make such an interesting hedge.

I may go back and set there again sometime.

Monday, August 9, 2010

Seminar Progress is Happening October 2, 2010

Seminar Happiness is coming about. It takes a lots of interchange of ideas and concepts to make it work.
A team makes it happen with the best of results.

Our society has some neat people to thank for all the effort put into what we have so far.

We took the survey from last year added it to our Program Chairperson's speakers and rounded up the events with
an Outreach program to find new members and share our knowledge with the community.

We have an additional place to present our activities to reach out into this large community. Down the road we hope to reach out farther to the other neighboring communities in our region. Learning that many people subscribe to Ancestry and are not members of our society finally helped them understand we are not reaching everyone we should.

We are in our third year of doing a Scholarship for the Chula Vista High School Seniors and if lucky we may get to expand it down the road.

One of the objectives of the Seminar is to reach out to everyone in the community area, to be aware we are now putting on presentations on the weekend and have people in the library on Wednesday evenings, 5:30 to 7:30 pm Civic Center Library.

We are a bit random with our Sunday Talks events due to scheduling conflicts within the system. We do generally have a couple of people in the Genealogy area on Sunday if no talk is presented to help those who may want to know what books we have, how we can help, what we offer to help others etc. This happens between 1;30 and 4 PM in the Genealogy section in the northwest corner of the library.

This coming Saturday our own Ruth HIman is going to be putting on great presentation regarding the Charts and Forms we use in genealogy and the focus will be on the 5 Generation Chart. Why? because it will be used at our picnic on 25 August.
Spin the Wheel win a prize using your 5 Generation Chart. The Prize being the knowledge of someone else that is in the same region as you doing research. Teaming up when doing research can open doors and redirect thoughts for what you may have missed. Gary has many surprises to share during this game. Come join the fun at the ELKS LODGE off Telegraph Canyon Rd.
Chula Vista. CA. Time is believed to be 11 to 2 but it may be different.

Must of us Genealogists do not share with others as we work even in the society it is hard to see it happening, though the Research group and the Computer group help to bring this knowledge to the fore front.

I remember giving an example at a talk at the Chula Vista Library and ended up with four new distant cousins we were nor aware of each others links. I remember joining the Computer group in San Diego County and learned they never talked about their surnames only their programs. I loved the program knowledge but hungered for the sharing of the genealogical names also.

One of our members asked is this really helpful. I can only say we have gone from 80 members to over a 110 and a new member tends to join at each event. We attempt to reach out and hopefully make them feel welcome and important for they are both. Even better is the new members are stepping up and adding their thoughts and mixing the pot so we are becoming even better.

I am sure that almost everyone if not everyone in the society can do the same thing if they just think about their talents and share them with others. You may be able to talk on the phone, write a review of a talk you attended, share some special
tip you have learned doing your own research, just reach out and say yes I can help you for an hour on this day.

Any of these would bring great joy to our society members attempting to make it a better place.

We would love to have someone volunteer to come to the library on Sunday afternoons for an hour or two. You will be amazed at how much you can scan while waiting for interaction with others. I have scanned through 15 new books I have not had time to look at otherwise. I have helped sign up new members and have leads for several other potential members down the road.

Need help with Genealogy, It is like a one on one time if no one else comes in. Thanks to John, Dearl, Marna, Barbara, Phyllis, Virginia and Shirley and Gary for filling in these hours. Surely while the sun is up one can come down for an hour and give a hand. Come winter many do not want out at night or late. The same happens for Wednesday evenings, from 5:30 PM to 7:30 PM, Virginia and Phyllis and I, have been able to help potential members and help each other.

The hopes was two people could do a month and then someone else could do a month. This is either 2 Sunday's or 2 Wednesday evenings. If not maybe just one a month, everyone has different thoughts on research and it is a way to
learn each others ideas on Brick Walls. It seems I always remember something different an hour later but do not see that person for a period of time to share with them. I love an email, or phone number for contact. One never knows when you may run across the information one is seeking.

So the Seminar is progressing and the plans are rolling along with great anticipation. Come join us and learn what we can do to
help you and you to help us. tee heee heeee. :>)

Come listen to Ruth Himan at the Bonita Library this Saturday talk about these Charts and how to make the most out of them in your research, highlighting the 5 Generation Chart. August 14. 1:30 to 4 PM

Two great presenters for the Seminar on October 2 from 9 to 4:30. Jean Wilcox Hibben and Alfred Pena.

Friday, July 30, 2010

Sentiments on Thursday/ comments Friday

Sentiments on Thursday cover the thoughts of Seminars past. We are putting the final touches on our Seminar for Family History Month for the Chula Vista Genealogy Society, Chula Vista, California.
The Seminar will be held 2 October at the Norman Park Senior Center. It will be an all day affair.
Something we have not done since Mr. Bill Doty (now retired) came from NARA and gave some presentations on what NARA
held for us to learn about, many long years ago.
O yes we have had seminars but not a full day one.
Our speakers will be Jean Wilcox Hibben and Alfred Pena.
Our theme is "WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?"
It is with great hope that we can have as a successful seminar as we did when Bill Doty came to present to us.

A web site I enjoy tremendously is for research assistance, help and relaxation.
They are a growing entity in the world of Genealogy. The people are friendly and overall want to find the answers to their puzzles. They are willing to share and laugh and smile when things are not always as they seem.
Do give them a go for in home assistance in your genealogy. You do not even need to leave your home to learn,
Vital Records, Histories, Civil War and Rev War Information. Just attend a chat that they are having on a given topic.

Wednesday, July 28, 2010

Vital Records Presentation Today

Today I will be presenting information on "Vital Records and Where to Find Them". 12:15 Chula Vista Library, 4th and F St.
Chula Vista, CA

Come learn some new places to look and what a Vital Record is.

Also our Scholarship recipient from last year will be present to meet members.

Refreshments and the event is free. Come join in the learning and the companionship of the day.

Tuesday, July 27, 2010

No Tombstones on this Tuesday

This has been my week of wonder. No tombstones to share, though my cousin lost her husband in Kansas. It was a sudden and sad loss for us all. Carolyn my heart and prayers go out to you.

Grandson D had knee surgery finally after more than two (I think years of attempting to have it done). His injury was after mine but before they discovered mine was in need of surgery. Can not believe the company made him suffer this long. Very painful condition and surgery takes time to recover, been there done that.

Sis, Mary came back to visit also this week past. Arriving on Friday night due to the accident in the valley with a Greyhound buss all travel was delayed due to major inspections of the bus. Hurray she arrived safe even if several hours late.

My birthday past this last week and daughter bought me this delicious double chocolate cake to share with everyone. Chocolate mouse filling too.

Grandson J and his school mates came to visit and attend COMIC-CON, wow what fun we had. We rode the trolley and we went by car and we did a lot of walking to take in the event. This is the event I share with him each year, or at least attempt to. :>)
I ended up with very tender feet by the fourth day. Yes the first thing I did was buy my tickets for us for next year. Now to secure a ticket for my daughter, my goof.

Younger grandson Z was gifted with a signed picture of Chewbacca, from Star Wars, ending up with tears in many peoples eyes
and a very grateful grandson. The actor has no idea how much that picture and autograph meant to our grandson.

Grandsons W and K, had results from their fair. K took many prizes with his bunnies and W did the same with his chickens. I think K took best of show for his bunnies. They also made great money at the 4-H auction to move forward for next year.

Family from all over called or left a Happy Birthday on Facebook or email for me to see.

Thanks to all whom sent me Birthday Blessing Wishes, it sure seems we need them.

Grandson J hopes he passed his mid term today.

Grandson S is hoping to spend some time this weekend with us. He called me two days in a row and it made my heart sing.

Granddaughter to be called and talked almost an hour with me which also made my heart sing.

Mom called to. As did my other children and family members.

Seminar meeting covered lots of ground and that was a large relief.

Hubby had last day of back therapy and says he is better.

I did a Genealogy talk in Lemon Grove on Wednesday.

Prepared my talk for Chula Vista Genealogy Society this Wednesday 28 July 2010

What a week and that is not all just part of it.

Then the computer has decided to give me fits again so by Friday it will go back to whence it came last to see why again it is not working correctly.

Monday, July 19, 2010

Hoffman's Lost Lineage not Yet Found

I have decided to do something different today. I am at a stand still on my HOFFMAN/Huffman Lineage.
So I am going to start with my Grandfather Hoffman and post some data on a steady basis to see if any
other Hoffman/Huffman clan member finds us.

First one needs to know that HUFFMAN was not a name used in Germanic region until after the 1800's. It
was spoke as HOOFMAN or Huffman but spelt HOFFMAN. You can even see it spelt HOUGHMAN.

We know we came early to the American land. Some letters indicate we may even be from the Germanna Group.

So here is the starting of an adventure down the path to find more kin and maybe put more puzzle pieces together.

My last Hoffman was Grandad so this is where I start and work backward over time.

My Grandfather and my Grandmother were very special to me.
Their names are Cecil Lee (Shorty) and Inez Mae Scott Hoffman. I call them Grandma and Grandpa Hoffman.
Grandpa Hoffman grew up in southeast Iowa. Monroe and Appanoose Co area.

Grandpa's father came to Iowa from Greene Co., Pennsylvania. His name was Franklin Marion Hoffman. Grandpa's Mother was Samantha Abigail Duvall and her parents also came to Iowa from Greene Co., Pennsylvania.

Grandpa Cecil was born 9 May 1891 in Moravia, IA. Grandpa had asthma really bad and he went to Wyoming to live with his mother's family members (Duvall's) that moved there. Due to drier air it was easier to breathe. He did well in Wyoming so he worked and came back and forth until they could afford to move to Wyoming. My mother was their first child born in Wyoming. The older siblings were born in Iowa the younger ones in Wyoming.

They homesteaded a piece of land near Slater Flats. He later bought land in another area.
They retired from farming and moved to Wheatland the town in the mid 1950's. I remember the farm out in the country near Aunt Marie's (Mom's sis). I also remember the home in town near his sons, Dick and Roy. Grandma Inez, grew up in Iowa and after marriage to Grandpa and some children later moved to Wyoming where the climate was better for her husband to breathe. Her birthday was 6 Oct 1892 born in Taylor township, IA.

Grandpa spent a great deal of time checking the growing grains in the fields. I walked the cornfields with him many times so I could hear his stories of his family. He loved to talk about his family and his one trip to Pennsylvania when he was about five years old to see his relatives that they had left behind moving to Iowa. He always told me he wanted to go back to Pennsylvania one more time to find some of the people he met when he was 5 years old. I did this for him finally in 1993.

Grandma passed away before Grandpa. She was very ill in bed for some months and there was much discussion on what her ailment was. I am not sure if we know today what she passed from will have to ask my Uncle Dick if he has Death Certificate.
I remember she was very ill the year I was a senior in high school and Mom went to stay with her for a couple of weeks in 1958. She passed away in November of 1961.

Grandad lived for almost a year longer. We were hoping he was coming to visit us and he suddenly passed on 24 October 1962. My second son Don was just a year old and one day when Grandad passed.

It was a truly sad day for our family, when we lost our grandparents on Mothers' side of the family.

end of part one